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Old 01-15-2016, 12:10 AM
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I am putting some parts together for a complete restoration. One of the steering stops is broken on my bottom triple clamp. I know the 95 250 uses the same 43mm forks but in 95 the 250 and 500 triple clamp width increased by 5mm. Did the 95,96,97 cr 125 steel frame keep the same width triple clamp or did they get the 5mm wider triple clamp in 1995 like the 250 and 500?

I have found a 95 cr 125 applied top triple and I need to know if I need a 94 bottom triple or a 95 bottom triple to bolt onto my 94 250.
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mine was broken off too, a good welder/machinist sort me out, then shape it similar with the other stopper and you're done
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mine was broken off too, a good welder/machinist sort me out, then shape it similar with the other stopper and you're done
Thank you, I may just get mine repaired too. It seems that all,the triple clamps on the 95 Cr bikes, 125,250,500 were widened by 5mm even though they were still using 43mm forks. Also, this was the year that one of the steering head bearings was bigger on the bottom clamp, then around 97, Honda went back to using the two smaller bearings on the top and bottom triple clamp like the 1994 and prior models. So, this increased 5mm width is one of the reasons that the 95 triple clamp part number is different.
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You have a couple of options. Repair the stop which will return function to
the clamp but probably not be ideal aesthetically, or replace the clamp with
a decent used part from Craig's list or EBay. It comes down to the level of
restoration you're shooting for.
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You have a couple of options. Repair the stop which will return function to
the clamp but probably not be ideal aesthetically, or replace the clamp with
a decent used part from Craig's list or EBay. It comes down to the level of
restoration you're shooting for.
It will be a full restoration. I have a couple of leads on an umdamaged replacement. I have collected a lot of parts already. I have a new oem 96 cylinder still in the box from Honda along with a lot of other stuff.
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Keep in mind clamps from 92-94 are identical. I see good candidates pop up
all the time. You only need the clamp itself as long as your existing stem is
in good shape.
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Keep in mind clamps from 92-94 are identical. I see good candidates pop up
all the time. You only need the clamp itself as long as your existing stem is
in good shape.
The stem is in good shape. I am working on a replacement.
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I need a little help. I am almost ready to buy an IMS wide transmission kit for my 94 CR 250. I have read some posts that there was a change in 94 back to a wider range transmission which continued through production in 2001. Does anyone know the gear ratios on the 1994 and the gear ratios on the IMS transmission.

I read the July 92 Dirt Bike Magazine test on the IMS wide ratio transmission installed a 92 Cr 250 but it doesn't specify the IMS gear ratios.

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Update. What I read on some other posts in some other forums was incorrect information. I checked the Honda parts fiche and the 92 CR 250 transmission and the 94 CR 250 transmission have the exactly the same parts numbers. So, I answered my own question.
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Always nice when someone posts a question but is actually willing to put some effort into solving their own problems.
Where are you getting this IMS kit from? I searched ebay and the like for months and never saw one pop up. CRF's only sells a kit for CRF450's but was never able to confirm whether or not it would fit and didn't want to do a $600 science experiment.
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Always nice when someone posts a question but is actually willing to put some effort into solving their own problems.
Where are you getting this IMS kit from? I searched ebay and the like for months and never saw one pop up. CRF's only sells a kit for CRF450's but was never able to confirm whether or not it would fit and didn't want to do a $600 science experiment.
Thanks for the nice comment! I will try to post some pictures of the IMS Kit in a few days. I have another question, I want to buy a complete UFO plastic kit, fenders,shrouds, side panels, fork guards but I want all the parts in red. Does anyone know where I can buy the kit in all red? Also, are "flo red" and "nuclear red" the same color?

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This is how the old girl looked when I picked her up. The owner had purchased the bike and after partial disassembly decided it was a little too much work for him. He was correct in a lot of ways. I have never seen a bike that had been rode into the ground bc of lack of simple maintenance. I don't think the bike had been washed since 1994 when it left the Honda dealership. The air filter came apart in your hands, the shock linkage was seized, the front brake line was held to the front fork tube with six white zip ties, the rear sprocket bolts were SAE not metric, the gear shifter looked like it came off a Z50, the spokes on both wheels were seized, the tip of the brake pedal was held on by two SAE bolts of different sizes. I could go on and on and on.

It was in pitiful shape but I couldn't leave it there and under all that I could see a steel framed Honda two stroke racing machine




It was definitely a hare scrambles bike, look at the letters on the back fender.


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When I got home, I went "Tony Montana" (Say Hello to my little friend..) on the seized shock linkage.



The linkage was seized to the frame and the suspension link





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Engine case had damage near shifter assembly.

As I suspected the inside of the case had some damage too. The internal main shaft bearing area was damaged as well.

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damn, still cant think of what could cause that to the case round the MS bearing...

any large debris/pieces found in there?
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Been there.... Good time to decide if you want to continue with the MANY parts missing... Or broken! I decided to proceed with a project in similar condition and wish I hadn't... Either way I'm sure you'll love the challenge but just bear in mind that the end result that's in your head comes with a lot of hard work and in most cases a big handful of that stuff from the money tree
Very cool project nonetheless! Keen to see how it goes!
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Overall, with the exception of the shifter side case, the inside didn't seem too bad

Clutch basket was notched, so I am going to order a rekluse basket. The fiber and steel plates were in the middle of the service limit but the springs were the way too short, far under the service limit, probably the wrong springs, what a surprise...lol.


Here are some inside shots of the old barrel, I checked the number, it was a 2001 if I remember correctly.





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Here is the air box after the graphics and a lot of mud were removed. The box was completed blocked at the bottom with mud and cow crap.





Here it is after I finished it up.





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I am ordering new cases and other parts when necessary but I am trying to retain as many original parts as possible if they can be refurbished to new condition. This bike will be a racer but I will be keeping it forever.Here is the new seat cover using the cleaned and refurbished stock base and mounts.



Here is the new in the Honda box 96 CR 250 cylinder.






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Great progress!! How did the frame look?
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Looking great. I am just getting started on an 88 restoration. I have an 88 and a 90 and both are beaten and bubba fixed. Looks like I have a long project ahead. Mine is looking like more a rest-mod as I am finding it is going to be a mix of years and parts. Your bike will be sweet too. My second favourite to the 88/89 CR 250.
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Been there.... Good time to decide if you want to continue with the MANY parts missing... Or broken! I decided to proceed with a project in similar condition and wish I hadn't... Either way I'm sure you'll love the challenge but just bear in mind that the end result that's in your head comes with a lot of hard work and in most cases a big handful of that stuff from the money tree
Very cool project nonetheless! Keen to see how it goes!
Thanks, this is my current race bike,



And this is a another bike that I did a few years ago,



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damn, still cant think of what could cause that to the case round the MS bearing...

any large debris/pieces found in there?
I didn't find any large pieces at all. At some point the chain had derailed and cracked the case at the shifter assembly so, I suppose the derailed chain locked the transmission, while under a heavy load, and the MS bearing spun or twisted in the case.

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Great progress!! How did the frame look?
The frame looked good, there were two dents on the lower frame rails So I will get those fixed.

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Looking great. I am just getting started on an 88 restoration. I have an 88 and a 90 and both are beaten and bubba fixed. Looks like I have a long project ahead. Mine is looking like more a rest-mod as I am finding it is going to be a mix of years and parts. Your bike will be sweet too. My second favourite to the 88/89 CR 250.
Greg
Thanks, This 89 that I saw and Dogger's 93 got me started on this project,

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Are "flo red" and " nuclear red" the same color? Can I get a complete UFO plastic kit with all red pieces?
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Look what came in the mail today,

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Nice find!
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nice find!

btw, what did you do to make that air box look like new?
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