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[mtk]

Skip the ReadyFilters and get a pair of TwinAir filters. Buying cheap air filters is like buying cheap condoms, the money you save won't do justice to the cost of failure.

As for an ignition cover, the SFB Racing ones look pretty sweet.

[psycho393]

How about a hydrolic clutch? I have one for your bike that's basically brand new, make me a respectable offer.

[RaptorRacer888]

Originally Posted by mtk

Skip the ReadyFilters and get a pair of TwinAir filters. Buying cheap air filters is like buying cheap condoms, the money you save won't do justice to the cost of failure.

As for an ignition cover, the SFB Racing ones look pretty sweet.

How are you judging the quality of Twin Air vs. Ready Filter, do you have a degree in air filter sciences or something?

Just cause one company can make a cost effective filter that is pre oiled at a reasonable price does not meen it sucks.

Anyway, Im getting ready filter, I can buy about 4 of those for one Twin Air.

SFB racing ignition cover...have to check into that. I have seen there clutch covers and there nice, never seen the ignition one.

[mtk]

Originally Posted by RaptorRacer888

How are you judging the quality of Twin Air vs. Ready Filter, do you have a degree in air filter sciences or something?

Just cause one company can make a cost effective filter that is pre oiled at a reasonable price does not meen it sucks.

I've got a pair of mechanical engineering degrees, does that count?

But I really don't need them, as I can go from first-hand accounts of folks having them start to fall apart on them in short order. TwinAir filters do no such thing.

It's your engine, do what you want. I could care less if it blows up due to poor filtration.

[RaptorRacer888]

Originally Posted by mtk

I've got a pair of mechanical engineering degrees, does that count?

But I really don't need them, as I can go from first-hand accounts of folks having them start to fall apart on them in short order. TwinAir filters do no such thing.

It's your engine, do what you want. I could care less if it blows up due to poor filtration.

Yea it does count, see now I know your backing up your statements. Thanks for your imput. But one must realize, that not everyone cleans thier filter with simple green and soap and water, heck even one of my friends swares gasoline does the same thing. Im like, gasoline eats away at the filter and the glue and stuff and it will make it fall apart...but he just thinks I know nothing.

Thanks for your imput, still think Im going with Ready Filter, if it falls apart then I will just be out 10 bucks.

[mtk]

The flaw in your logic is that you're assuming that it will filter as well as a TwinAir before it falls apart. Just because it is in one piece doesn't mean it isn't allowing dirt to pass through it and helping your engine to an early demise.

A ReadyFilter is $10. A TwinAir filter is $20. The latter is a known, high-quality filter and the former is a crap shoot. You just spent $6000 on a 2005 YZ250 and you're going to save $10 on one of the most important components in the system as far as engine life is concerned? That's big-time false economy in my mind. particularly when you're planning on spending $100 on a graphics package, something with absolutely no practical value whatsoever.

Would you use the two-stoke oil they sell at the hardware store for weedwackers in your YZ, or do you insist on a high-quality synthetic oil? The same logic applies.

[skid]

I would get some spare plugs, spare air filters, spare levers, some tubes, spare grips, spare throttle tube. Anything that can be broken and then replaced easily.

[RaptorRacer888]

Originally Posted by mtk

The flaw in your logic is that you're assuming that it will filter as well as a TwinAir before it falls apart. Just because it is in one piece doesn't mean it isn't allowing dirt to pass through it and helping your engine to an early demise.

A ReadyFilter is $10. A TwinAir filter is $20. The latter is a known, high-quality filter and the former is a crap shoot. You just spent $6000 on a 2005 YZ250 and you're going to save $10 on one of the most important components in the system as far as engine life is concerned? That's big-time false economy in my mind. particularly when you're planning on spending $100 on a graphics package, something with absolutely no practical value whatsoever.

Would you use the two-stoke oil they sell at the hardware store for weedwackers in your YZ, or do you insist on a high-quality synthetic oil? The same logic applies.

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Unless orange and white filters better than green and purple, I see no difference. Just cause it costs less, does not meen its crap. Hell what if Honda started to charge 20,000 dollars for a CRF 450, and RMZ 450's were 10,000, does this automatically meen RMZ's are crap...no.

Its called overcharging, hell I bet they ALL buy the filter from some generic comapny that makes HUGE quanities of filters, slap thier name and price on it, then sell it.

Im still getting Ready Filter, its the same thing as far as Im concerned, except cheaper and already oiled. I really have no clue why you say ready filter sucks so bad, this is the first time I ever heard negative about them.

And hell, I could be assuming that Ready Filters are good, but I will try them out and let you know if they fall apart or last long. Heck at 10 dollars I could change them out every 2 rides and im pretty sure they will last at least 2 rides, and just put in a new one.

[mtk]

Nice marketing crapola website....

Do you know that the foam is the same? No, you don't. Are the pore sizes the same? Is the foam as solvent-resistant as the TwinAir? How about the adhesives used? Nope, you have no clue about any of those either. All you have is a bogus photo from which you draw these conclusions. Nor do you know for a fact that all the companies buy from "some generic company" and slap their logo on it. I'd bet money that TwinAir and Uni, to name but two, make their own products.

I've read enough first-hand accounts of the ReadyFilters falling apart after a few washings to not want to risk my engine on subpar filtration. Poor filtration for an afternoon can do in an engine, under the right conditions.

You call it "overcharging." I call it, "there are no free lunches in life."

What's funny is that you then justify it by saying you'll put a new one on every two rides. According to the marketing crapola website, in six rides you'll have invested more in ReadyFilters than a the TwinAir would cost in the first place and you'll still have a perfectly usable air filter, one that can be washed 50 times or more and still perform as well as when it was new. That puts the cost of a TwinAir (or Uni) filter, per hour of operation, much lower than a ReadyFilter and it is also known to perform well, rather than being assumed to perform well.

I also noticed you skipped right over the question about two-stroke oils from the hardware store. That stuff most certainly is cheaper than Mobil MX2T or Amsoil Dominator or any of the other synthetic oils on the market, are you going to try those out too? Poured in a glass bottle side by side, they all look the same so they must be equivalent and the other companies are just overcharging for their products. At least according to your logic. Why not fill up the ol' YZ with some of that stuff while you're at it?

Since you're hell-bent on buying them anyway, go for it. Like I said, I really could care less if you wear out your engine prematurely as it's not my wallet picking up the tab if it happens.

[RaptorRacer888]

Originally Posted by mtk

Nice marketing crapola website....

Do you know that the foam is the same? No, you don't. Are the pore sizes the same? Is the foam as solvent-resistant as the TwinAir? How about the adhesives used? Nope, you have no clue about any of those either. All you have is a bogus photo from which you draw these conclusions. Nor do you know for a fact that all the companies buy from "some generic company" and slap their logo on it. I'd bet money that TwinAir and Uni, to name but two, make their own products.

I've read enough first-hand accounts of the ReadyFilters falling apart after a few washings to not want to risk my engine on subpar filtration. Poor filtration for an afternoon can do in an engine, under the right conditions.

You call it "overcharging." I call it, "there are no free lunches in life."

What's funny is that you then justify it by saying you'll put a new one on every two rides. According to the marketing crapola website, in six rides you'll have invested more in ReadyFilters than a the TwinAir would cost in the first place and you'll still have a perfectly usable air filter, one that can be washed 50 times or more and still perform as well as when it was new. That puts the cost of a TwinAir (or Uni) filter, per hour of operation, much lower than a ReadyFilter and it is also known to perform well, rather than being assumed to perform well.

I also noticed you skipped right over the question about two-stroke oils from the hardware store. That stuff most certainly is cheaper than Mobil MX2T or Amsoil Dominator or any of the other synthetic oils on the market, are you going to try those out too? Poured in a glass bottle side by side, they all look the same so they must be equivalent and the other companies are just overcharging for their products. At least according to your logic. Why not fill up the ol' YZ with some of that stuff while you're at it?

Since you're hell-bent on buying them anyway, go for it. Like I said, I really could care less if you wear out your engine prematurely as it's not my wallet picking up the tab if it happens.

Your a funny dude, hell bent on making sure I have to get a Twin Air filter or else the world may blow up.

I run Golden Spectro in my bike cause it stops it from fouling plugs, Yamalube makes it foul plugs. I don't care if you argue with me on that and say its jetting, just keep babling on cause I wasted enough time trying to jet for Yamalube, Golden Spectro works.

And where are these first hand accounts of Ready Filters falling apart?? You said you, read them which implies that your not lying cause you did not say you heard of them, you said read.

And if the adhesive of Ready Filters can not hold up to hot water and Dawn soap, then wow, I guess you are right that Ready Filter sucks, but Im pretty sure that it will, I won't have to worry about it falling apart.

And also now UNI comes into the equation, as you mentioned it, I use to have one of those on my Raptor and it was a great filter too. But other than it bieng red, It seems the same as my stock YZ 250 filter and probally the same as Ready Filter. But that "probally", will become a "it is the same" as UNI once I buy a Ready Filter and compare them.

And then you also argue, Well what if the foam is not the same as Twin Air or the adhesive is not as good. Well maybe its not the same, maybe its better, maybe its the same, maybe its worse, I will find out, cause Im still getting a Ready Filter. I meen, why would RockyMountainmc, MotoWorldracing and many other companies sell them if they suck so bad?

So far this is what im getting, this is what my checkout looks like at RockyMountainmc.com
Qty Item Price Sub-Total

80/100x21, K771 Millville Medium Terrain, Front
Part # 77999 In Stock $35.99 $35.99

Ready Racing Pre-Oiled Filter, Yamaha YZ250 97-05
Part # R014100B In Stock $8.95 $17.90

Maxima K-2 100% Synthetic 2-stroke oil, 1 litre
Part # 530600 In Stock $10.99 $10.99

Carbon Fiber Lower Fork Guards, Yamaha YZ250 05
Part # 14105050B In Stock $99.95 $99.95

High Foam Complete Seat, Yamaha YZ125/250 02-05
Part # 52488 In Stock $95.99 $95.99

Upper Fork Decal, Clear, Kayaba, Black
Part # N10011 In Stock $9.99 $9.99

Shipping: $29.52
Total: $300.33

Figured I would try out Maxima K2 Premix. Any other suggestions?

[skid]

Originally Posted by mtk

Nice marketing crapola website....

Do you know that the foam is the same? No, you don't. Are the pore sizes the same? Is the foam as solvent-resistant as the TwinAir? How about the adhesives used? Nope, you have no clue about any of those either. All you have is a bogus photo from which you draw these conclusions. Nor do you know for a fact that all the companies buy from "some generic company" and slap their logo on it. I'd bet money that TwinAir and Uni, to name but two, make their own products.

I've read enough first-hand accounts of the ReadyFilters falling apart after a few washings to not want to risk my engine on subpar filtration. Poor filtration for an afternoon can do in an engine, under the right conditions.

You call it "overcharging." I call it, "there are no free lunches in life."

What's funny is that you then justify it by saying you'll put a new one on every two rides. According to the marketing crapola website, in six rides you'll have invested more in ReadyFilters than a the TwinAir would cost in the first place and you'll still have a perfectly usable air filter, one that can be washed 50 times or more and still perform as well as when it was new. That puts the cost of a TwinAir (or Uni) filter, per hour of operation, much lower than a ReadyFilter and it is also known to perform well, rather than being assumed to perform well.

I also noticed you skipped right over the question about two-stroke oils from the hardware store. That stuff most certainly is cheaper than Mobil MX2T or Amsoil Dominator or any of the other synthetic oils on the market, are you going to try those out too? Poured in a glass bottle side by side, they all look the same so they must be equivalent and the other companies are just overcharging for their products. At least according to your logic. Why not fill up the ol' YZ with some of that stuff while you're at it?

Since you're hell-bent on buying them anyway, go for it. Like I said, I really could care less if you wear out your engine prematurely as it's not my wallet picking up the tab if it happens.

I know that they did have problems when they were first released. But they have suoposedly fixed the problem with them coming apart. I know several people who use them and are quite satisfied.

[Satch0922]

I use a uni....when has cleaning an airfilter been so difficult that they came out with disposible ones? :d

Next thing you know they will have disposible helmets.......

[RaptorRacer888]

Originally Posted by Satch0922

I use a uni....when has cleaning an airfilter been so difficult that they came out with disposible ones? :d

Next thing you know they will have disposible helmets.......

I have cleaned my stock filter over 6 times already, and its not difficult, I just want a few extras around just in case.


Satch, you have a SDG seat on your YZ don't you? Is it the tall version?

How do you like it, I ordered me one cause I heard it helps taller riders and im 6'5 so I could use a taller seat.

[Satch0922]

I have the Tall seat....it does help taller riders stand.

[mtk]

Originally Posted by RaptorRacer888

Your a funny dude, hell bent on making sure I have to get a Twin Air filter or else the world may blow up.

I run Golden Spectro in my bike cause it stops it from fouling plugs, Yamalube makes it foul plugs. I don't care if you argue with me on that and say its jetting, just keep babling on cause I wasted enough time trying to jet for Yamalube, Golden Spectro works.

First off, it's "babbling." Next, I won't bother to tell you anything about oil since you're 16 and know it all already and I'm just a 35 year-old degreed engineer who happened to work in the lubricant industry for over a decade. So you already possess far, far more knowledge than I on the subject. :

Originally Posted by RaptorRacer888

And where are these first hand accounts of Ready Filters falling apart?? You said you, read them which implies that your not lying cause you did not say you heard of them, you said read.

It was either on dirtrider.net or on here, or maybe it was on DirtTrails.com. I forget which, as keeping such irrelvant data in memory isn't too high on the priority list. The bottom line is that some users of said filters had problems and that was enough to convince me to never use them. I'm not stupid enough to risk engine damage in order to save $15 on an air filter, particularly when the $25 air filter can be reused countless times with no loss of performance. A $10 filter that falls apart in three washings (even if it doesn't compromise filtration) isn't a bargain compared to a $25 filter that can be washed 50 times or more. Your mileage may vary.

Originally Posted by RaptorRacer888

And if the adhesive of Ready Filters can not hold up to hot water and Dawn soap, then wow, I guess you are right that Ready Filter sucks, but Im pretty sure that it will, I won't have to worry about it falling apart.

And also now UNI comes into the equation, as you mentioned it, I use to have one of those on my Raptor and it was a great filter too. But other than it bieng red, It seems the same as my stock YZ 250 filter and probally the same as Ready Filter. But that "probally", will become a "it is the same" as UNI once I buy a Ready Filter and compare them.

And then you also argue, Well what if the foam is not the same as Twin Air or the adhesive is not as good. Well maybe its not the same, maybe its better, maybe its the same, maybe its worse, I will find out, cause Im still getting a Ready Filter. I meen, why would RockyMountainmc, MotoWorldracing and many other companies sell them if they suck so bad?

It's "probably." "Probally" isn't a word.

As to why RockyMountainMC and others sell them, how many crappy products have been sold to the motorcycling public over the years? Want to bet that the largest mail order houses in the country sold them too? Ever bought crap before? I'll bet you bought it from somewhere.

Originally Posted by RaptorRacer888

So far this is what im getting, this is what my checkout looks like at RockyMountainmc.com
Qty Item Price Sub-Total

80/100x21, K771 Millville Medium Terrain, Front
Part # 77999 In Stock $35.99 $35.99

Ready Racing Pre-Oiled Filter, Yamaha YZ250 97-05
Part # R014100B In Stock $8.95 $17.90

Maxima K-2 100% Synthetic 2-stroke oil, 1 litre
Part # 530600 In Stock $10.99 $10.99

Carbon Fiber Lower Fork Guards, Yamaha YZ250 05
Part # 14105050B In Stock $99.95 $99.95

High Foam Complete Seat, Yamaha YZ125/250 02-05
Part # 52488 In Stock $95.99 $95.99

Upper Fork Decal, Clear, Kayaba, Black
Part # N10011 In Stock $9.99 $9.99

Shipping: $29.52
Total: $300.33

Figured I would try out Maxima K2 Premix. Any other suggestions?

What I find funny is that you'll use your expensive engine to "test" a new air filter, all while spending $10 on a sticker and $100 on carbon fiber bling for your bike.

What strikes me as even more funny is that you still can't grasp my premix oil analogy. You use a high-priced synthetic oil in your engine, most likely for the better protection it offers, and then try and save a few pennies on air filtration and don't see the obvious disconnect in this logic. Go to the hardware store and buy the $1.39/can two-stroke oil they sell; it's much cheaper than $10.99/liter and since it's oil it should be just fine, right?

But as I said many times before, it's your engine. If your filter choice turns out to be a poor one, it's your wallet taking the beating. The $15 you saved (ok, $30 since you bought two of them) won't begin to cover the cost of a premature rebuild.

I give up.

[dispatchrider]

Originally Posted by ShaneRider

First thing that I always do is the graphics. May I suggest these graphics below. Im not a Yamaha person but these graphics do look sharpe. But for everything else, I personaly would go with whatever fits the budget at the time.

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those are some nice lookin graphics

[RaptorRacer888]

Originally Posted by mtk

I give up.

Thank God, and of course just cause im 16 meens that I automatically think im always right, and won't listen to anyone else. No, just cause I do not agree with you on filters does not meen anything.

And if there was a spellcheck program to run before I hit submit reply, then I would deffantly check, but there is not, and I am pretty darn shure you can understand what Im typing, but its ok, your cool cause you can figure out other peoples typing errors.

I could see if I was like "No man, mize YZ's needz some partz ands I waz just wundaring watz yalls opiuns on itz."

And I don't type like that, so I really don't know why you got to nickpick me like that, buts thats ok.

Like I said, when I get my Ready Filter, I will take off the stock, wipe out the intake boot and see if there is any dirt, put a little bit of filter oil on the inside the intake boot, and put on the Ready Filter and ride. If I find dirt, dust or anything when I wipe off the inside of the intake boot after running the Ready Filter I will stop using them. And yes, I will be using my perfectly running, new, 05 YZ 250 engine as a test subject.

And then I love how you comment on my purchase of carbon fiber forkguards and premix and stuff, and then say how I get a cheap filter. Its my money that I wake up at 6:00 to go to work to make, and I will spend it on what I want.

I will defantly, with out a doubt, keep updated with pictures and everything on the status of my Ready Filters. And I, myself, will figure out, if I think they are worthy of my 10 dollars and filtering the air of my YZ 250 engine. Plus I bet 5 bucks that it has way more to do with the quality of the oil you use in your filter than it has to do with the filter. I bet if you took a Twin Air and put motor oil on it, and put Maxima FFT(or any good filter oil of your choice) on a Ready Filter it would filter better.

Picture and product review updates will follow, order should be here next Monday at the lastest.

Thanks for all your help everyone, and also that was not my final order status I added some other things, but its just maitenence stuff. Spark Plugs, extra grips, and brake lever.

[Woody_YZF]

I thought the Ready filters were supposed to be used once and thrown away. Personally I bought one because I'm too lazy to clean my air filters. They worked great (now I have a K&N) while I used them.