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[char393]

Originally Posted by wFo250

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Shame on you wFo! I can read morse code...don't you know this is a family site??!!!

[Woody_393]

Originally Posted by kdxchar393

Shame on you wFo! I can read morse code...don't you know this is a family site??!!!

LMBO

Uh, what's a 2 stroke?

[Satch0922]

Originally Posted by Woody_CRF

LMBO
Uh, what's a 2 stroke?

Dood......:

[Woody_393]

Is it the landing that guy on the inferior bike is heading for?

[crazyrydermx]

Originally Posted by Woody_CRF

Is it the landing that guy on the inferior bike is heading for?

Looks like he is jumping his bike out of a tree

[Keetoman393]

Originally Posted by Red Rider 943

A thousand bucks.... Not even close. You have no idea how much money it costs to race a 4 stroke competively( as in A/B class). You could easily go through a top end in a week, practicing every day. I'm not even going to get into pricing things.

Do you honestly believe that when a rider gets to the "A" or "B" class that they are paying full price for everything and doing their own maintenance? Some may, but those that quit at that point are either burned out or have other obligations.

My point is, any hobby is expensive. You just pick your poison and have fun or sit on your butt and watch TV and let life pass you by. If you can't afford a brand new bike, get a used one and I bet you would still be just as fast.

Or there is always plan "C": you can sit back and blame the manufacturer's decisions (which are driven by public demand) for everything that you don't agree with and preach doom and gloom constantly.

As for me, I plan on riding a 6 stroke if they come out and it may be used and it may cost me an arm and a leg in upkeep but I'll still be making memories that are priceless.

Satch, sweet pic!

[Satch0922]

Originally Posted by Woody_CRF

Is it the landing that guy on the inferior bike is heading for?

[bics56]

Originally Posted by YamahaP8ntbal52

This is a dumb question probably, but I'm just getting in to this. What is better a 2 stroke yamaha or a 4 stroke yamaha?.. thanks

The worst thing you can do is take advice from an antithumper/antipinger guy. I actually get humor from reading their post though. As for the maintenance will cost a fortune for a thumper thing. Most of the people who say that ride 2 strokes. To freshen up a top end it will cost you 30-40 more dollars than a pinger. To rebuild a top end every week is ridicules unless you are a pro and fully sponsored…which I doubt you are. If you get into valve problems it can be expensive for thumpers so that is a definite con for them. But from what I read is 99% of people who buy thumpers are very happy with them and have very little problems. Anyone who has taken a stats course or has common sense can realize there are always exceptions for everything.

I rode a CR250 for 5 years or so and I loved it…250 2 stroke power is awesome. At the end of last year I got a deal on a 04 CRF450 that I could not pass up ($2,500 awesome cond, spare tire, boots, helmet, and a ton of small stuff.) I only rode it once and cannot honestly say if I like it better or not. I do know I was very impressed and didn’t feel the difference in power delivery was too drastic for me. This year I will get a lot of seat time and I will be able to make an honest evaluation. I have a feeling I am going to love it. I would advise you to ride a pinger and thumper and see what you like better. Everyone is different and will like different things…but overall both are awesome machines so you really can’t go wrong in my eyes.

[E-man811]

Originally Posted by Keetoman393

Do you honestly believe that when a rider gets to the "A" or "B" class that they are paying full price for everything and doing their own maintenance? Some may, but those that quit at that point are either burned out or have other obligations.

Keetoman393 - I have no beef with you now or in the past, so please take my comment with a grain of salt.

I appreciate and respect that your comment above is your belief. However, your above comment illustrates that you know little about the racing community.

How long have you been racing?
How long have you been finishing top 5 in B class with 30 bikes in the gate at every race?
How many of your close and personal friends compete in A class with full gates and are battling every weekend with the same 4 top local guys for top honors on that day?
How much time have you spent with them traveling to and from the races, helping them wrench on there bikes till 2am for handshakes and fun?

My point is that your belief and your comment is unfounded.

I agree that most of these riders are not paying "full price" for their stuff. Most that I know of have a deal with their dealer for a small % over cost for parts. (like 10, 15 or 20%)

But you make it sound like Top local B and A riders are having top ends and valves handed to them and have people wrenching on their bikes and holding umbrellas for them at the line.

A more true comment would be that "There are a select few fast B and A riders that seem to be destined for greatness in the sport that receive tons of support with parts and such, while most all top local A and B riders, who pay less than retail for their stuff, have huge racing costs that only got bigger when they changed over to 4 strokes."

BTW, you can keep your stinking 6 stroke, because I hear that 3 strokes are coming out and are way better.

Ride safe

Ian

[wFo250]

Originally Posted by E-man811

while most all top local A and B riders, who pay less than retail for their stuff, have huge racing costs that only got bigger when they changed over to 4 strokes."

Nobody made them change over to four stroke. They chose to...probably because the first time they got skunked by a rider on a thumper, they blamed their bike. Just like Bubba did. But, JS was WAXING all those other thumper riders on a 250, but there's something wrong with the bike cause he can't catch RC. He also whooped all the 'F's in the 125 class too remember?
used to be 90% rider 10% bike...now it's more like 88% rider 12% bike.
JSR was destroying the competition on a CR250 last year at the Canadian nats.
All those guys on 'F's couldn't catch him, and they couldn't blame their bike for it either.

[E-man811]

I agree with you, they chose to change over to four strokes.

I'm not saying "oh poor them, they were force to change over". I was just rebutting the statement that the cost of maintaining 4 stokes didn't impact the fast guys. In fact it's impacted them more than anybody.

Ian

[wFo250]

Well, I don't have a four-stroke so, I can't attest to the maint. costs. But from what I read,: the general maint. isn't that much more expensive, it's when you break something that costs you.
And running the bikes at the edges of tolerance like racers do, there gonna break stuff.

[Keetoman393]

Originally Posted by E-man811

Keetoman393 - I have no beef with you now or in the past, so please take my comment with a grain of salt.
I appreciate and respect that your comment above is your belief. However, your above comment illustrates that you know little about the racing community.
How long have you been racing?
How long have you been finishing top 5 in B class with 30 bikes in the gate at every race?
How many of your close and personal friends compete in A class with full gates and are battling every weekend with the same 4 top local guys for top honors on that day?
How much time have you spent with them traveling to and from the races, helping them wrench on there bikes till 2am for handshakes and fun?
My point is that your belief and your comment is unfounded.
I agree that most of these riders are not paying "full price" for their stuff. Most that I know of have a deal with their dealer for a small % over cost for parts. (like 10, 15 or 20%)
But you make it sound like Top local B and A riders are having top ends and valves handed to them and have people wrenching on their bikes and holding umbrellas for them at the line.
A more true comment would be that "There are a select few fast B and A riders that seem to be destined for greatness in the sport that receive tons of support with parts and such, while most all top local A and B riders, who pay less than retail for their stuff, have huge racing costs that only got bigger when they changed over to 4 strokes."
BTW, you can keep your stinking 6 stroke, because I hear that 3 strokes are coming out and are way better.
Ride safe
Ian

I've got no beef, just trying to make a point that 4 strokes are not ruining the sport. Obviously you only read part of my rant.

But you make it sound like Top local B and A riders are having top ends and valves handed to them and have people wrenching on their bikes and holding umbrellas for them at the line.

Never said that. I did say some do pay the higher costs but who is making them by 4 strokes? They would do just as well on the 2 strokes at a local level.
How long have you been racing? I don't race MX, I have been riding for 27 years and have ridden observed Trials, Cross Country and Enduros.
How long have you been finishing top 5 in B class with 30 bikes in the gate at every race? I finished top #1 in my Expert class in Observed Trials for several years.
How many of your close and personal friends compete in A class with full gates and are battling every weekend with the same 4 top local guys for top honors on that day? Most of my friends ride Enduros or Trials but I do have a couple of friends that race competitively. One is in the 25+ Intermediate that used to race Pro for a while. He got discounts larger than the percentage you posted as well as contingencies and other outside sponsorships.
How much time have you spent with them traveling to and from the races, helping them wrench on there bikes till 2am for handshakes and fun? Did it for 5 years in trials, they don't even pay the pro's any money. Enduros are the same except they win contingency programs.

A more true comment would be that "There are a select few fast B and A riders that seem to be destined for greatness in the sport that receive tons of support with parts and such, while most all top local A and B riders, who pay less than retail for their stuff, have huge racing costs that only got bigger when they changed over to 4 strokes."

I still haven't been told who made those people change to a different stroke than they were riding. I must have missed that memo? If it costs too much, what is making them stay? I hear that two strokes are still being made. If it were me and I was griping about the maintenance on the 4 stroke, I'd go back to the two stroke and complain that 4-strokes are ruining the sport while saving my money and having fun. Isn't that what it's all about anyway? When is the last time you heard any motor sports amateur complain about the price yet keep doing it?
My moral to the story is (bear with me) No matter what the cost, if you love doing it you will find a way to continue doing it. You prioritize around what you want the most.
Now, give me my 6 stroke because I want to go have fun!

[Red Rider 943]

The ignorance displayed in this thread is more than amusing.

[Keetoman393]

And to think it all started with this remark...

Four strokes are completely ruining the sport. In more ways than one

[wFo250]

Originally Posted by Red Rider 943

The ignorance displayed in this thread is more than amusing.

Yeah and here's most of it

Originally Posted by Red Rider 943

... the two stroke is better.

[Red Rider 943]

Originally Posted by Keetoman393

And to think it all started with this remark...

The truth hurts.

[crazyrydermx]

I'm lovin' it

[LoKi]

Ride whatcha like. Choose which ever puts the biggest smile on your face.

It's not what you're riding, but who's riding the bike. I personally enjoy 2 strokes. That is what I grew up riding. Most of my riding buddies ride 4 strokes. They're definately alot easier to ride. I personally think a riding a 2 stroke helps you respect the power, and makes you a better rider.

When you get old and lazy you can jump on the 4 stroke bandwagon. Go get ya a nice brand new $7000 mx bike, and get your butt spanked by someone half your age with a bigger smile riding a 10 year old bike.

[MotoMan]

Wow...this thread is just full of.......advise. :

The true answer to the original question posted is: Whichever fits your personal taste and riding style.

Any bike, 2 or 4 stroke in any displacement is probably more bike then 95% of anyone on this site can truely handle, so buy what you like man, and enjoy yourself.

Everyone else with this "the ___ stroke is better then the _____ stroke" grow up and go home.

J