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Old 01-20-2004, 09:32 AM
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The truth is that the days of the 2 stroke are numbered and we all just have to get over it
I bought a 250 YZ 2 stroke to replace the 426 I had my mates have 2 strokes so why not , We can all race together... Yep, 1st ride comparison is (Mate if this thing only had some guts) the 2002 YZ 426 with the 450 cam in it would Cream this 2003 yz 250 with procircuit pipe etc. Sad but true. Bike is smaller ,yep but doesnt have the Ball tearing mumbo of the four stroke I remember pasing a guy on a 250 2stroke and wondering why he was going so slow, now I know! Anyway thats something I have To live with now. Both bikes are different, one lighter ,less grunt, one with ball tearing grunt but abit more weight to carry around. At the end of the day I'm happy just to have a bike.
If I had to choose a new one and could afford it, I would go for the four stroke! They are cheaper to live with! Oils aint Oils there bloody expensive! (Premix) The four strokes are definately the future. Soon they'll be below 100KG
That said enjoy your Cr 250 they are bloody good bikes, dont worry about which type you have chosen just enjoy it!
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Old 01-20-2004, 09:37 AM
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but doesnt have the Ball tearing mumbo of the four stroke
LMAO!!

I like that.
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Old 01-20-2004, 09:40 AM
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Motoman went from a YZ250 to a YZ450F ,.......he knows about the "mumbo" ! :
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I certainly do.
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Old 01-20-2004, 09:52 AM
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Envormental protection agency AKA EPA 2008 no more 2 strokes.NONE NATTA GONE OUTTA HERE SO LONG IT WAS NICE. Get the picture. TOO much oil consuption.Even R/C engines will not be developed. Companies will still be able to make parts but no further production of new model years.You know everyone will start casting old parts for new develpoment.Look at old harleys that are no longer around there are atleast 5 companies making replica motors for you old beast.Don't worry you two stroke guys I'm sure one day you will see the light of a four stroke.You could even step up to the engineering plate and design your own engine that has the character of a two stroke.(rotary???) these motors are like a two stroke no bottom end but they rev to the moon.Zoom Zoom imagine riding a mazda bike sounds like another manufacture could be into bikes aswell. Only time will tell.
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Where do you think all the research dollars are going now? That's right, 4-strokes... get used to them. They will be evolving drastically over the next few years.
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Old 01-20-2004, 11:15 AM
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Keeto, hit it the nail on the head. R&D is gone after 2005 on 2smokers, if it isnt already, of course they are not going to say it for the die hards. I have read several articles claiming to not cut R&D until 2006 but I doubt it, they (thumpers) are everywhere now. Even if they keep making the smokers, they will fall behind in technology. Thumpers are the future, like it or not. I love my RED thumper, dont know how I got along without before.

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congrats on the new bike.
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If two-strokes are outlawed, only outlaws will ride two-strokes.
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If two-strokes are outlawed, only outlaws will ride two-strokes.
Well then im going to be an outlaw. I have a green sticker and I know how to use it. Ill probley get another 4 stroker, but its going to be a quad for my wife. Maybe next year she can have her quad.
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Old 01-20-2004, 04:17 PM
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I'm already an outlaw ,so it shouldnt be a problem. Cant pick up my bike till tomorrow morning, skid plate wont be there till then, cant hardly wait!!. When i was at the dealership today i heard a bike fire up but wasnt right there, I thought it was a 4-wheeler when i heard it but then i walked around the corner and saw that it was a crf450. I was like damn i would have sworn that was a 4-wheeler.
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Old 01-20-2004, 04:26 PM
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I bet that's what Kevin Windham says every time he fires his up.
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Old 01-20-2004, 04:34 PM
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Fair enough, Fair enough. It's true though the stock 450 has a real thumper sound, i thought. You know i swear i never even considered taking sides on this, until recently. And i know my next bike might have to be a 4-stroker and i guess i can live with it. If there were no 2 strokes around at all. How's it go-- I'm a man, I can change, If i have to, I guess.
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2 stroke ? 4 stroke? just as long its a Honda.....
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Old 01-20-2004, 04:35 PM
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hello?????...you guys kinda make it sound like USA is the only country in the world...it is true that the EPA can influence the manufacturers...but there will and should be a demand for 2 strokes worldwide...i have a cherry 1974 3 cylinder 500cc 2 stroke...the EPA killed this street model for USA long ago...was it the end for 2 stroke street bikes-NO-and the RD series-NO-for 79-they beat the EPA with a butterfly valve-then came the rz350lc-the basis for motor yamaha uses in the quads...if people are monkey see-monkey do sheep like most,we will soon be riding nothing at all...ok boss-i guess i`m breathing too much air-so send me to mars...how many millions of cars are pukin smoke into the air...the answer was to use radioactive and other dangerous materials in a catylitic convertor!...problem solved???wake up people-i smell the rats...find out what`s in a converter and ask about what replaced asbestos in the brakes...don`t be led by the nose-don`t be a sheep-wheres sadams money now?-haha-yeah,come get me (round two)
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4 strokes are for old people . LOL!!

I owned a 4 stroke (02 426f) it was ok, pulled good but still couldnt muscle out the 500's. It wasnt that much quicker then the 250s on the straights that were bone stock also.

I rode my old 426 the other day and gave my friend my 250 to rip around on, he wouldnt give me my 250 back . I forgot how much engine braking it had when I chopped the throttle. It pulled nice and hard off of the bottom (wish mine pulled as hard) but my bike felt a lot quicker on the pipe up top. When I wanted my bike back I had to stop and wave him down because he enjoyed the 2 stroke too much....heh
Oh well as long as I can buy a 2 stroke I think I will keep riding 1. If it ends up that 2 strokes are not legal (which seems unlikely since they dont realize that so many people ride them) I might goto a 4 stroke but I think this is going to be more like gun control legislation in canada, over a BILLION dollars spent and nothing good ever came out of it, except the learned mistake that there will always be guns and honest people dont commit crimes.

I was told to just buy a CMRC racing license (anyone can get 1) and I can get my hand on a 2006-7 2 stroke no problem. An extra 100 bucks or so wont defer me from buying one.
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Old 01-22-2004, 01:04 AM
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For what it is worth . . . .

What amazes me the most every time I read a post about how two-stroke motorcycles will be banned (though the reported "facts" are often conflicting) is how passive and resigned many seem about it, even if you are opposed to it. In view of the structure of our representative form of government in the United States, I find little justification for unelected and, therefore, unaccountable figures (agencies) unilaterally dictating anything, let alone their own political and environmental agendas to the citizens.

My great-grandparents surely came from the "old world," but they would be shocked to see how passive and compliant their children's children have become. I do not advocate civil disobedience--except in matters of moral conscience--but there are surely effective means available to keep a few ideologues accountable within the bounds of common sense.

Before you mistake this position as extreme, please view the following article in Dirt Bike Magazine, that also offers a practical way for Californians to get involved:

Dirt Bike Mag Article

[DCox hops off his soapbox so the thread can get back on topic . . . .]

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Old 01-22-2004, 02:03 AM
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thanks Dcox-well said-i agree...i don`t think that we the motorcyclists are the type folks that are just gonna take their BS...the television mind controllers are trying to equate anyone speaking out these days as a terrorist....i saw on the tv news tonight a seattle lady yelling at a bus driver will be tried as a terrorist-TRUE STORY....keep your powder dry folks....things may get nasty when Mr skull and bones secret society don`t get reelected...AMERICANS GOT THEIR RIGHTS BY SPEAKING OUT AND DEFYING AUTHORITY....keep your powder dry
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Old 01-22-2004, 04:55 AM
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man you don't know what you're missing. my friend that rides with us bought an 03 cr250 a few months after thomas and i bought out 450's. he now very much regrets his choice.
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as far as the legaL Issues i think it's right that all 2 strokes bought before a certain year will be grandfathered in. It's only fair thing to do for those of us who already own 2 strokes.
I confused, do you mean that the rules shouldnt apply to us because we already own one? If so i think your right too.
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Old 01-27-2004, 11:02 AM
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2 strokes have already been banned here for noise pollution but myself(CR250) and my friends(KTM200)(kx250)(YZ250)(CR250)(KDX200)(CR125 )(yamaha blaster)(BANSHEE) really dont care and we run from the environmental police on a weekly basis, they are very slow on there utility quads and it makes riding even more fun. What really tweaks them out is our huge sand pit about 20 acres of riding with hill climbs,jumps,tracks,boggs and straight away ripps and they cant do anything because its private property only a night time 8:00 shut down but we are at home by then and in the winter we ride snowmobiles all night with the lights, S00000000 I say two strokes all the way, and by the way my friends yz400f was bouncing off the rev limiter as I wheelied by him haha, 2 strokes for life
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