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Old 07-13-2009, 02:30 AM
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Hey guys been looking into getting a used bike and have been trying to do a little forum reseach first. First off i'm 33,6'0 and about 225lbs. I've rode dirt bikes when i was younger and have had a few street bikes.

My price range is around a $1000, not looking to spend a lot right now. But i have found quite a few decent looking bikes for that price range. But i am a little pulled between two bikes. The kdx 200 and the yz250.(both 2 stroke)
1993 KDX Kawasaki 200
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My dilemma is I don't want to go balls out all the time. But would the kdx be able to do jumps or handle some more aggressive riding?

Also I feel a bit stupid asking this but can't seem to remember do these 2 cycle bikes get oil premixed into the gas?

Thanks guys, i'm really excited about getting into to this.
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Old 07-13-2009, 03:26 AM
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I'll answer the easy one. Yes, 2-strokes have the gas and oil mixed (premix).

You didn't specify what type of riding you will be doing with it, but I'm guessing trails.

If that is the case, I really think the KDX might be the ticket. It should still have plenty of power and the suspension would be better suited for the trails.

The YZ is going to be faster, and lighter and still a good trails bike, it just won't have the same supple suspension for the trails that the KDX would, nor would it have the lights etc.

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Old 07-14-2009, 12:05 AM
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Thanks Woody.
But i'm still torn between what kind of riding i would want to do. My dilemma is if i want to do some jumping or more aggressive riding will the kdx be able to handle it. Also there is so much more on the market 250 (2 stroke wise) than anything else. So the opportunity for a better deal is more availiable. But will the 250 be a bit much, I guess thats what i'm trying to get through my head. I've heard it both ways. But now i've got money in hand to go looking.
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Old 07-14-2009, 12:26 AM
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The 250 2 stroke wont hurt you a bit, They only get as crazy as you twist the throttle. The KDX's are cool bikes, almost bought one myself b4 my RM. But I find my 250 will handle whatever I throw at it with ease. You just have to work into it,don't get over zelous in the power application till you are comfortable with it. As far as suspenssion , I have no problem adjusting mine to whatever type of riding I want to do,just a few clicks on the adjusters provided you have your sag set.Hope that helps.....Jerry....PS..I know my spelling S$#&&ks.....LOL
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Old 07-14-2009, 12:36 AM
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Lol, my spelling would suck to but i've got spell check on my google tool bar.
But thanks for the advice, i am sort of leaning towards the 250's. One of the things i'm worried about is being into the clutch to much though.
Here are the bikes i'm going to check out over the next few days.
Yamaha YZ 250
1988 Honda CR250R
YZ 250
1993 KDX Kawasaki 200
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Old 07-14-2009, 12:41 AM
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I would say the 95 YZ would be my pick, I know your on a budget and you truely will not go wrong with a Yamaha,Just want to get the newest bike you can afford. Good luck......Jerry... You won't have a clutch problem,just make sure you use a quality trans oil.

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Old 07-14-2009, 12:49 AM
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Yea thats the first one i'm going to check out. He actually lives in my part of town. Hopefully its still avialiable.(doh see what happens when i don't use spell check.)
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Just remember that in this bad economy people are having a hard time selling bikes now and the market is way down. You could look at bikes up to $1300-$1500 and walk away with a crazy good deal. Just because you have $1000 doesnt mean you have to look at bikes $1000 and under. Im in sales, so just trying to give a word of advise.
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Tom, Chris is right there guy, There are some good deals out there, dont rush in to it....Jerry
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Aww you guys are killin me, i wanna ride now.
Seriously though your right I can afford to be picky in this market. I will be critical of any bike i look at. Here is a list at some of check points i have come up with on doing my own research when looking at a bike. Please add anything you deem important that i may of missed.
-worn sprockets
-worn chain
-tires
-fork seals
-check air filter and area for amount of dirt
-any bends or warps in forks
-condition of rims
-smoothness of gear shifting
-all levered actions(brakes,clutch)
-brake pads
-brake disk/rotor
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That's a great list. Just make sure you do a little research so you know what it will cost to replace any of those items, so you then have more bargaining power, e.g., $40 for new seals and wipers (if you can get them in a kit).

Also bring your own tools so you don't have to ask them for a wrench when removing the seat.

Also back to the original question since I now understand better what you are trying to achieve.

I think the YZ250 will cross over to the trails a LOT better than the KDX would cross over to the track. I think you would hate the KDX on the track, but the YZ won't be too bad at all on the trails. The KDX very good on the trails, but I would hate it on the track. But the YZ would be awesome on the track, and do fine on the trails.

So I'd get a 250 for sure.
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Old 07-14-2009, 10:43 AM
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"I think the YZ250 will cross over to the trails a LOT better than the KDX would cross over to the track." Woody beat me to it, haha.

I am about the same age/size as you and ride all trails. I do some small jumps, but am agressive as far as speed. I'd also say the YZ would be better. I have a 96 CR250 and it is a great trail bike.The YZ should be just as good. I'd recommend a 250 if you're trail riding, you'll get used to the power. Riding postion was key for me to getting the power under control (sit up as far as possible on the seat, head over the handlebars when accellerating, and find the best postion from there).

If you do get an mx'er, add a flywheel weight. I added one last month and I wish I would have done it as soon as I bought it. It made my bike much easier to ride, especially on slow trails, and it is almost impossible to stall. Makes the bike pull you instead of yanking you around. Without one, that YZ would be more of a handful in the woods and will wear you out much faster. Still fun without one though....
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Thanks for the input guys i'll let you know what I end up with.
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Another vote for the 250 2 stroke over the KDX. Nothing wrong with a KDX, but if you do plan on hitting the track occasionally a YZ/CR/RM/KX 250 will do you much better than the KDX 200. If you just plan on play jumping on the trails or what not, either one would be fine. I'm not a big fan of the KDX 200's though- nice bikes but power delivery on them is weak from my experience. With a 250 you will have plenty of power, room to grow, and you can fine-tune the power with sprockets, flywheel weights, and your right wrist The KDX will be a fun starter bike, but you'll probably grow bored with its docile nature fast.
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Well i went and looked at a 93yz 250 today. It definitely has a lot power, maybe to much for me. I was running it on a street though so not sure how i can judge from that. But i'm going to go check out that kdx just to see what that's like.
The yz ran pretty good but i couldn't get it kicked started so the guy did for me. And the petcock leaked a bit of gas and the front brake disc seemed to con-caved in a little. He didn't seem to want to budge on a $1000, So the search continues.
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Just remember that in this bad economy people are having a hard time selling bikes now and the market is way down. You could look at bikes up to $1300-$1500 and walk away with a crazy good deal. Just because you have $1000 doesnt mean you have to look at bikes $1000 and under. Im in sales, so just trying to give a word of advise.
Stole the thought right out of my head man! I am also monitoring the market for a bike Dubya. I'm still lookin' to buy in January or February but the deals I've been see'n lately on Craigslist make me wish I had the money now! Have you thought about an "older" model XR? I've seen some killer deals on some XR400's and such. I've even seen some nasty deals on 450F's of all brands.

Ctroger is exactly right though, monitor NADA and check the "Retail" value on whatever you're looking at. I prefer NADA because KBB usually includes/accounts for extra charges dealers throw into a deal for "prep" on used bikes. BE PATIENT, decide exactly what you want and go for it! Money talks....pull a grand outta your pocket and slide under someone's nose like you're givin'em a Dirty Sancez and they'll probably bite!

Good Luck!
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Well an 96 xr400 just popped up on criagslist today. They don't say how much they want for it. What kind of price should I expect on it. And i am assuming its a four stroke which I never really considered. I think i know some of the pro's and con's between 2 and 4 strokes. But what are they? I.E. maintenance,speed,weight,reliability.
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xr400(edit well nevermind on that one he wants like $2000 for it.)

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dont worry too much about the using the clutch etc just cause its a two stroke.

youll hear it over and over again, slipping the clutch, being in the power band blah blah blah.

honestly, these bikes have enough power for a beginner to be a gear high and learn on em. give it some gas and before you know it youre in the powerband anyways.

i will recommend a 2000 cr250. i got mine for $1200, great condition. put in a new top end just for reassurance and it runs like a dream. i can be balls to the wall with it and i can lug it around. no spooge, no fouled plugs at 32:1. great beginners bike IF you have self control. pretty much any 250 two stroke will teach you a lesson if you underestimate it.

you come from some street bike background, so im sure you know all about respecting motorcycles.
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i just got into really riding last year, and i was going through the same thing decision wise. i decided to get a 125 to start, since i had never ridden a fullsize bike before. let me tell you, if you are going to go 2 stroke, you may as well get a 250, because they are a great do all bike, and they have enough power to do anything you want. i sold my 125 in less than a month and got a 90 cr250 ($700), which runs great now.
also the aftermarket is huge and parts/maintenance is pretty cheap.
i agree with mynewcr250 though, you have to be careful with the power sometimes, because it WILL buck you off if you arent ready for it.

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Well guys i went with the 93 kdx 200. I drove one tonight and bought it. Taking it for the first ride tomorrow. It is a real clean bike and in great condition. The 250's just seemed a bit much for me right now. Thanks for all your help, much appreciated

I wanted to post a pic but can't seem to do it.
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