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Old 09-25-2012, 09:27 PM
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The XR70R looks like this: http://www.twobros.com/Exhaust/Honda/XR70R.jpg Honda does make a 80cc 2T called the CR80. That's a motocrosser with some snort though. The XR and CRF are basically the same. Different size/shape gas tank, more plastic,ect. Here Motorcycle Message Board - Motorcycle USA is article on the subject. If I were you I'd go XR because they are very tough. Or get an RT100!
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:28 PM
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My 2 cents...... Get a good condition xr anything from 70cc up to 100cc. I still ride My xr100 (1983) and im 22 LOOL ...still got the original crank and all and it a beast!! Very well made bike ( even the newer ones) and arguably the most reliable. You won't need spare for a LONG TIME ( I'm thinking like pistons, valves etc- the most costly stuff) just good maintenance and all yea Hondas are the way!!!

Just don't get a 2T Honda just yet.....bit too powerful

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Oh and IMO 4T are better for newbies learning
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:47 AM
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welcome to ATM and look into a kawasaki klx 110, honda crf 70, yamaha ttr 110 as that these bikes are semi auto tranny it will get him used to having to shift gears without the hassle of balancing a clutch to take off and these bikes are all mod-able so as he grows the bike can be hotrodded to grow with him, the maintainance is cheap and easy, parts and upgrades are plentiful and they are funbikes for the whole family. Ryan Villapoto has a KLX 110 modded to the gills that he races in the pitbike nationals levels, so it isn't just a kiddie bike the big boys play with them too! You can probably find one used for about 750 to 1100 or buy one new for around 2200.
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been doing alot of reading up on bikes. 4Tor 2T...auto tranny or clutch ....decisions decisions. I just have to look for a used bike. But I told my boy (you want a clutch or not) he said does not matter...I just want a bike LOL...and he said get the fastest bike you can get lol...

I told him clutches are interesting and racers usually use clutches but are not the end all in bikes. Actually if I got an auto tranny or bike with no clutch but you shift gears...my wife and daughter can learn too.

So to answer my boy's question I been thinking. which bike is the fastest

You know you can get a 4T bike say one is XXX110 and one is XXX125 maybe different brands or not...which one would be the fastest among different brands?

I do not want to compare a Kaw LKX110 and Kaw KLX125 if there is such a thing. What I want to know is what is the best brand to start the search. from all that have posted I think probably a 4T is better but really want the 2T because they are like little rockets and probably easier onthe wallet. I'd probably get the auto tranny as it is easier for the whole family to ride but then if I got a good deaL on a clutch bike 2T I'd pull the trigger.

I see post stating the Yamaha TTR125 can attain 70mph and the Kaw KLX110 can go up to 40mph. Is this true that some bikes are dogs and if so...which one should I aviod and which should I look at?

These decisions are not easy to make but I guss my most important attribute is my boy can touch the ground ot toe it a little and enjoy and learn so that when it is time to upgrade I can sell and move up and not lost a whole lotta money.
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the xr's are all very reliable and to repair them is nothing like the newer liquid cooled 4 strokes of any brand.
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Old 09-27-2012, 02:42 PM
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Best brand=Honda I know you won't be sorry or at all disappointed as stated the xr is great, try look for an auto clutch one. Bear in mind that auto clutch bike are easily grown out of... While at first it may be frustrating and time consuming to learn the clutch bike at the end of the day he will be better for it and when the time comes for a bigger bike with a clutch he should be confident enough to hop on and go.
My honest opinion would be an XR 100 (newer models called Crf ) it's a great cross between a Motocross bike/ trails.
Speed is not essential, for the most part of your sons learning he will probably not go to fast ( not being nasty or anything just being realistic ) also 50 - 60 miles is pretty fast for the 100's I still ride mine and it's plenty fast for me
Personally I'd stay away from the smaller kawasakis/ Suzukis.... As I said Honda is the way followed by Yamaha just my opinions
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:23 PM
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I'm not gonna argue anymore Lesson learnt. I would get a 2T. Don't get me wrong, I own a 4T also. But, an average 2T engine has 600 moving parts, whereas a similar sized 4T engine has 4,400 moving parts (if I remember right). 2T's are a lot lot lot simpler to work on. Also lighter. But do whatever I would go XR100 or RT100. Both real good, but one is a 2T and the other is a 4T. Kdx 85 - Yakaz Motorcycles Kdx 85 - Yakaz Motorcycles Kdx 85 - Yakaz Motorcycles Kdx 85 - Yakaz Motorcycles P.S. the links all say the same thing but they're not Kawas.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:33 PM
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where are you i have a yamaha yz80 2001$800 its yours or i have a smaller yamaha pw80 2 stroke too no clutch just three gears that one prolly better for him depends how tall he is bikes not as fast, if i was you i would start him with a pw and move him on to a rm85 those bikes scream that is what my boy rides and he is 12 but short and bony for his age lol but handles it great sice he has been riding sice 5
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I am in Northern VA. You are in the NE...so I guess that is too far? You asked where I am and I have VA in my profile so maybe you do live close to me? Regardless if ya local send me a PM and we can contact and see if I can look at ur bikes.

Yamaha...you stated XR100 or RT100...and one is 2T and the other is 4T. I think the XR100 is 4T as that is the specs I read. Saw one of these on the net and appear to be local to me so I am hoping I can take my boy over there to se if it fits him. My guess is the XR100 does not fot him as the XR80 is a little too big for him but I am looking at the XR80/CRF80.

I actually think I want the 2T but not sure if the 2T can come with auto clutch? Thanks for the ideas guys.
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the xr80 is a manual clutch. great little bike. he would probably pick up pretty fast on how to use it. but something like a pw 80 in the 5-600 range would be great too.
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