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Old 01-12-2004, 09:58 PM
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Hey guys - I just got my suspension done and its great at the track. This past weekend the owner and his test rider were at the track and they helped me set up my suspension. Damn, it was pretty nice.

But now that they are gone and I don't ride track that often, I would like some input on desert settings. I went out today and the settings they had did not go through the deep desert whoops very well. I ended up adjusting the rear rebound out 8 clicks. Now that kinda made it better but I think im going about this all wrong. Now the front doesnt want to run through them without alot of jolting on the arms. It seems like I am having to pull up on the front alot. Does this mean the front is too stiff or too soft?

Can someone give me some advice on what I can do?

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Old 01-12-2004, 10:34 PM
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to stiff and your rebound sounds off. what are you rebound settings and your fork settings? are you bottoming light or hard? how is the rear tracking?
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Front: Rebound-14, Compr-11
Rear: Rebound-16, Compr-13

I am bottoming on decent size drop offs for the area that I ride. But not slamming. When I called the shop that did my suspension they told me that he thinks its too much rebound in the rear and the settings I have didnt make sense. But they feel comfortable. Except the front - it will not track straight through the deep whoops, feells like they are going to deep into the whoop? I get a teeter-todder effect?

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Old 01-13-2004, 09:11 AM
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Try going the other way, as for sand riding you need a stiffer set up. More low speed and rebound is required for these types of conditions.
Actually what is happening is the front forks are packing causing harshness ( because it is diving too far into the stroke) so adding LS compression will help! let me know how it goes.

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Try going the other way,
Im confused : This is very hard for me to understand.

Your saying I should make the front and rear a little softer w/compression? Or should I put the rebound back where it was and only play with the compression (low speed)?

Can you clarify this a little bit for me?

I ride in the high desert and would like to haul -*** through the deep whoops when others slow down. Can this be done and if so, what am I going to sacrifice to get it?

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Old 01-13-2004, 08:34 PM
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thos number you gave me. are they 11 click from the ardest or softest. lets do it this way 1 is soft. 15 is hard. where is it at. what is your high speed compression set at?
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My settings are from full hard - (all the way in and back out to the numbers.) And my HS comp is at 1 1/2 out. That is where I got it back after the revalve.

At the track the settings were
Rear: rebound -9 out
Low Comp -14 out
Hi Comp -1 3/4 out

Front: Rebound -15 out
Comp -11 out

These settings were pretty good but the bike bounced (evenly) up after landing from a jump. I think I like a softer ride but am still learning.

I adjusted the rear rebound out to 16 to try and get it to go through the whoops. I may have adjusted the wrong setting : .

Thanks for the help.
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Old 01-13-2004, 10:35 PM
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Ed ,
Since you have had it revalved and I am not sure of the setup that they used.

What type of bike year ect are you running?

I would try something like .

Forks
Comp 8 reb 12

Shock
Comp 10 reb 10
and see if that helps in the section you are trying to get dialed in

What I was trying to say was too soft can have the effect of feeling too hard.

If that doen't help I would contact the person that did the revalve ( they know what type of settup they did) most tunners will be happy to answer your questions and help you its part of the service IMO. I should of posted this first.

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I called him - and told him what I did. And he was suprised that I had the rear rebound set like it is. He said that he dialed it in very close at the track for me. And now I need to work on personal preference.

So you think the front was too saft and it was riding in the whoops instead of over them? I think that is what the they told me also. But wanted a second opinion.

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hey all - Im having a hard time adjusting my suspension for the DEEP desert whoops. I adjusted the front kinda firm and the rear rebound pretty far out? 15 clicks is what I ended up with. But at the track I ran 9. Is this normal? It feels like the front is sinking into the whoop so I added some compression. I also made the rear a little softer. I went off a jump and the front bottomed and the rear didnt - so I adjusted it until it did? Then I kept going through the whoops and kept adjuting the rebound out until I could go through them with some speed. Is this the right way to do it? Also - if I was not bottoming do I adjust the hex or do i adjust the slot?

Just need a little technical info that would help me adjust my bike a little better.

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I'm not sure on the other stuff, but the nut (hex) is the high speed compression, and the slot is the low speed.

For woops, I'd say you probably want to adjust the high speed. Not sure though. Adjust it in 1/4 turns.
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Old 01-15-2004, 09:43 AM
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Ed,
What type of application did you have it revalved for MX, Off road.
There is a give and take in suspensions if you have it valved for mx then it will not be that great for off road and vise versa.

What is you race sag set at also? How much free sag?
Is the feeling your getting a rocking horse sensation ?

Also you need to let us know what you are mounted on ?

If your not happy with it get ahold of the guy?..... but remember the application that you had it valved for in the first place.

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Old 01-15-2004, 10:09 AM
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I told him I rode 80% desert and 20% track.

It it good for the track - but I only go there every couple of months!!

Race sag is at 4 1/16" and free sag is about 3/4".

Yep - it feels like the front is sinking in the whoop and kicking the back up then the front sinks in again then the back, etc...

I am riding a 2002 YZ426 (look below).

I have had him revalve it a couple of times and i think I just need some help setting it up? When I had it revalved I got the air-tank for the front also. Supposed to give a plush ride until I hit the 'rough stuff'. I think it is just a little too plush. It feels nice when I hit a square edge and doesnt bottom really hard.

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Allot of this depends on a couple of different things.

First of all, your riding style. How fast are you hitting the whoops, where you are at on the bike when you hit them, how aggressive you are. A bike that is set up for cross country the correct way is going to be a little stiff at slower speeds. You want a little on the high side for your reboound too...but then again its all in how fast you are. If you tweak the rebound to be on the faster side and you attack a whoop only marginally you are going to get kicked back and swap hard. As a general rule of thumb you want the compression set to take at least 4 ft jump without bottoming..again its all in your style. I would put everything back in the middle, leave your sag alone and just keep hitting the same set of whoops and adjusting one end at a time until it feels good. Good luck!
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The samll whoops arent a problem. Its the deep whoops that get me. I am trying to hit them as fast as I can. Im going to go out today and play around with the settings. I just find my self adjusting the rear rebound out alot. How much does rear compression have to do with my problem? I adjusted my rear compression by hitting a pretty good size natural desert jump and kept making it softer until the back and front bottomed together? Is this the correct way to do it? I know when I made the rear softer the front got harder. If this is wrong than let me know.

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Old 01-15-2004, 04:56 PM
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You probably want to go a turn tighter just after the bottoming stage. Then adjust your reboound to not kick up and smack you in the butt after that...If you hit whoops real hard with the front end in the air...you should glide over the whoops if set correctly...
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Old 01-15-2004, 10:26 PM
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ok, I have it going pretty good through the whoops(it feels like its packing a little). The front is pretty stiff so it was harder to turn and felt kinda rigid. So I increased my rear spring one turn and changed my front air-tank 1/4 turn out (more plush).

Now my rear end kicks up when jumping. What would I adjust to fix this problem?

My rebound in the rear is still pretty fast. And the rear compression is out pretty far. Here are my settings:
Rear:
reb - out 13
com- out 12

Front:
reb - out 13
com - 8

Is this right ?
rebound out = Slow
rebound in = fast

Compression out = soft (tire fast into the fender)
Compression in = stiff (tire slow into the fender)

This is getting confusing. I hope others are reading this and it is helping them out.

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Old 01-15-2004, 10:30 PM
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check out Ricky Carmichaels very slow rebound....he rides fast-so this works for him....
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Rebound out = faster
Rebound in =slower
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Your right. I typed it in wrong :

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