Yamaha won't be winning the outdoor title

[pjg351]

Well if the press release is true Stewart won't be competing in the 2010 outdoor series, he's decided that SX and his TV reality show take up to much time to race outdoors. I wonder what Yamaha thinks about having a rider who won't be doing their new 450 any favours in MX.

[yzernie]

He doesn't ride for Yamaha, he rides for Team San Manuel who is Yamaha supported. I would guess Yamaha is not worried about him riding outdoors. They do however, want him to win the SX title.

[pjg351]

Originally Posted by yzernie

He doesn't ride for Yamaha, he rides for Team San Manuel who is Yamaha supported. I would guess Yamaha is not worried about him riding outdoors. They do however, want him to win the SX title.

Next year Yamaha will not be running their own team Ern, It's been handed to L&M. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

[MotoMan]

That is just so wrong on so many levels.

[noobish]

Originally Posted by pjg351

Next year Yamaha will not be running their own team Ern, It's been handed to L&M. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Huh? your link states cleary they are a SATELITE team, like Joe Gibbs, Star yamaha, they are not turning over their factory effort to L&M. They are pulling out cause it doesnt make financial sense to field a factory team and L&M, Gibbs, Star, etc, etc are proving to have a better business model.

[Motodad393]

Originally Posted by yzernie

He doesn't ride for Yamaha, he rides for Team San Manuel who is Yamaha supported. I would guess Yamaha is not worried about him riding outdoors. They do however, want him to win the SX title.

IMHO this is sad. These days, it is such that "how employees feel" is more important that what is good for the company and those product that generate revenue for the long term survivability of a company. It is more important to feel good and be politically correct that it is to do the "right thing."

This is precisely why I am glad I am an ole coot - rather than a young stud muffin who believe they will change the world. For this ole codger, it is still more important to "respect that which looks back at you from the mirror, rather than be politically correct - inside/outside of the corporate world."


Sorry for my surly attitude. Some days are diamonds and others are stone.

[pjg351]

Originally Posted by noobish

Huh? your link states cleary they are a SATELITE team, like Joe Gibbs, Star yamaha, they are not turning over their factory effort to L&M. They are pulling out cause it doesnt make financial sense to field a factory team and L&M, Gibbs, Star, etc, etc are proving to have a better business model.

Do you only read between the lines Noob? Let's try again!

Yamaha Motor Corporation U.S. announced today that it will be re-directing both its Road Racing and Supercross/Motocross motorcycle racing efforts for the 2010 season.

For Supercross and Motocross, Yamaha partner L&M racing will continue to compete in the 450 class with defending AMA World Supercross Champion James Stewart aboard the all-new YZ450F.

check: L&M are now the offical Yamaha team for SX,MX
check: James Stewart rides for L&M
check: Stewart confirms he is doing SX only
check: Highly unlikely,"No outdoor AMA title for Yamaha in 2010" with a whole new concept bike

[noobish]

Originally Posted by pjg351

Do you only read between the lines Noob? Let's try again!

Yamaha Motor Corporation U.S. announced today that it will be re-directing both its Road Racing and Supercross/Motocross motorcycle racing efforts for the 2010 season.

For Supercross and Motocross, Yamaha partner L&M racing will continue to compete in the 450 class with defending AMA World Supercross Champion James Stewart aboard the all-new YZ450F.

check: L&M are now the offical Yamaha team for SX,MX
check: James Stewart rides for L&M
check: Stewart confirms he is doing SX only
check: Highly unlikely,"No outdoor AMA title for Yamaha in 2010" with a whole new concept bike

No, its hard to draw much more from that especially considering you are drawing your own conclusions and listing them as fact. Grant still has a hell of a chance to win the title on a YAMAHA, with Joe Gibbs who has a PARTNERSHIP with yamaha as does STAR RACING. Furthermore, I don't appreciate your trying to get ****ty with me like you are somehow a moto knowledge god, so put your craptastic attitude aside cause you evidently dont know jack and are drawing your own conclusions. I could careless if Stewart races or not or who wins the championship, I am pointing out that NO WHERE does it say L&M is the official factory team for Yamaha and your argument that they are is baseless and incorrect.

[VAL]

WOW

Mellow out guys. I'ts interesting to hear all sides but no need to get all bent.

[pjg351]

Originally Posted by noobish

No, its hard to draw much more from that especially considering you are drawing your own conclusions and listing them as fact. Grant still has a hell of a chance to win the title on a YAMAHA, with Joe Gibbs who has a PARTNERSHIP with yamaha as does STAR RACING. Furthermore, I don't appreciate your trying to get ****ty with me like you are somehow a moto knowledge god, so put your craptastic attitude aside cause you evidently dont know jack and are drawing your own conclusions. I could careless if Stewart races or not or who wins the championship, I am pointing out that NO WHERE does it say L&M is the official factory team for Yamaha and your argument that they are is baseless and incorrect.

Unbelievable! The whole article doesn't exist it's fictitious Have a nice day

[yzernie]

Ok, so here is what we do know....

- Yamaha is not going to have factory SX, MX or RR teams in 2010.
- Yamaha has chosen to give support to the L&M, Gibbs, Star and Graves Teams for 2010
- Yamaha will provide technical and factory support to those teams but they are to remain with their current programs
- Yamaha is allowing certain teams to utilize their existing 18 wheelers in exchange for the advertising they will receive
- Yamaha, once again, is the trend setter in the fact the other factory teams will be following their lead for 2011...and maybe 2010

The Yamaha label and the support the teams will be receiving is in direct relation to the advertising Yamaha will still receive from their products being used by the top teams. The writing was on the wall a couple years ago when they dropped many of the contingency programs for the amature level riders. Again, I truly believe the other manufacturers will be following their lead. I, like Mr Berg, absolutely hate to see this kind of thin happen. All of this is based on the crashed(ing) economy and only makes good business sense.

There was a local Yamaha shop that just closed it's doors after being in business for at least 30 years. While the majority of the responsibility of their closing is a result of poor financial oversight by the current owners, the current state of the economy does have an impact on the closing.

[VAL]

Originally Posted by yzernie

There was a local Yamaha shop that just closed it's doors after being in business for at least 30 years. While the majority of the responsibility of their closing is a result of poor financial oversight by the current owners, the current state of the economy does have an impact on the closing.

E,

It wasnt your beloved YOC was it?

[noobish]

Originally Posted by pjg351

Unbelievable! The whole article doesn't exist it's fictitious Have a nice day

I am pretty sure they speak english in Australia, perhaps you just have your own version of it, but here is the article in its entirety:

Yamaha Motor Corporation U.S. announced today that it will be re-directing both its Road Racing and Supercross/Motocross motorcycle racing efforts for the 2010 season.

For Supercross and Motocross, Yamaha partner L&M racing will continue to compete in the 450 class with defending AMA World Supercross Champion James Stewart aboard the all-new YZ450F. Additionally, other satellite teams will soon be announced to further compliment and strengthen Yamaha’s off-road racing efforts.

For Road Racing, we will continue to partner with Championship-winning Graves Motorsports who will now assume additional responsibilities for Team Yamaha within the current AMA class structure.

This new direction for our racing efforts for the 2010 season has unfortunately resulted in the elimination of some internal race department positions at Yamaha’s Cypress headquarters.

Racing remains the true life blood and heritage of Yamaha Motor Company and it is with this spirit of challenge that we will continue to race and enable continuous improvement of our products and unparalleled fan enjoyment for years to come.

Again, NO WHERE does it say L&M is the official yamaha team, they in fact call it a PARTNERSHIP, like they do with all the teams YZErnie just listed. Hell, they even went out of their way to say "ADDITINOALLY OTHER SATELITTE TEAMS WILL BE ANNOUNCED". Guess I missed the article your eyes saw

[yzernie]

Thank goodness it wasn't my beloved YOC!!...it was Montclair Yamaha. Those guys at YOC are pretty wise when it comes to finances and have always prepared for the slow economic times. One advantage they have is they are a single line dealer and don't get stretched to thin. Don't get me wrong, times are tough all ove and they are feeling the squeeze too. Thankfully they are picking up a lot of parts/service and sales business from the customers that used to visit the other shop.

I can remember in the bad economy of the early 90's going into YOC and buying stuff I didn't really need just to help them survive. This economy is not different for me because a couple weeks ago we went and bought a new quad for my stepson. There's a waiting list for the 2010 YZ450s so I have been looking at the smoking deals on the 09 YZ450s too!! They have a 2010 YZ250F in there too that has caught my fancy. I just wantto ride for fun now and IMHO, and as Char can attest to, me riding her YZ250F (or their YZ144) at GMB 2008 was just a blast. Decisions, decisions!!!

[MotoMan]

Factories, whether satellite teams, factory teams, whatever...should NOT allow "supercross only" contracts. That is perhaps the DUMBEST thing I have heard come out of this sport in the last 20 years.

Period end of story.

[yzernie]

I agree Jim and I have never really understood the SX only contracts. I have always thought if you had a 'factory ride' you rode both series. The riders say it is safer and more protective of their careers to ride SX only but it seems to me the amount of injuries from either series are just as serious.

We certainly don't see 50,000 spectators at the MX series events. Maybe it is the 'show' factor of the SX series that boost their egos?? I guess it is just a sign of the changing times.

[char393]

That's alright. SX is just filler until it's time for the outdoor racing. I personally could care less if JS races outdoors or not. It just makes the racing that much more exciting.

As for E on Effie or the baby yz... that was just FUN to watch. I'm at the stage where I just want to ride for fun now too. I typically ride Effie during the week and race the vintage class on the weekends. I'd love to have a new bike, but I'll just rebuild Effie for now.

I would be curious to know how much affect a rider has on bike sales nowdays. For instance, do many new riders buy a Yamaha simply because that's what JS rides?

[yzernie]

Originally Posted by char393

I would be curious to know how much affect a rider has on bike sales nowdays. For instance, do many new riders buy a Yamaha simply because that's what JS rides?

I bet we'd be surprised at how many sales are rider motivated. As far as the exact numbers....not sure we could ever figure that out.

[pjg351]

Originally Posted by noobish

I am pretty sure they speak english in Australia,

Again, NO WHERE does it say L&M is the official yamaha team, they in fact call it a PARTNERSHIP, like they do with all the teams YZErnie just listed. Hell, they even went out of their way to say "ADDITINOALLY OTHER SATELITTE TEAMS WILL BE ANNOUNCED". Guess I missed the article your eyes saw

Try again Noob,
what i said was yamaha won't be having their own race team again, and was being handed over to the likes of L&M in the future. As far as the rest goes SX only contracts are BS, if you want a true championship make it count for both.

[MotoMan]

I think Yamaha will sell enough of those new 450's with or without Mr. SX only.

Sorry that just really bugs the crap out of me.