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Old 01-14-2006, 03:28 PM
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I have an 03 cr250 and i'm having problems getting the rear spokes tight. I've only had it a few months and this is the first time i've tried to tighten them. When i turn the nipple the entire spoke turns. All of the spokes on the rear wheel are like this. The fronts ones tightened up fine. I tried holding the spokes with a pair of vicegrips but that didn't work. Any ideas? I think i'm turing them the right way, counter clockwise right?
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Old 01-14-2006, 03:34 PM
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I think you have to turn them clockwise..But I've had some problems with mine on my 85 too. It's like the nipple siezed and will not turn. I have like 5 on each wheel that are all gummed up and wont budge. It's not like the spoke doesnt want to turn, it's like the nipple wont move at all. so the force of my pushing on it totally destroys the nipple on the rim.
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Old 01-14-2006, 04:00 PM
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I thought it was counter clockwise, like you're tightening the nipple to the spoke? Or do you go clockwise as in tightening the nipple to the wheel?
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Old 01-14-2006, 04:51 PM
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Yep, sounds like the spoke nipples are seized. I would try some WD-40 and working the nipples from inside the rim before you muscled down too much.

and Folks, this brings to mind the Faast spoke wrench. This is exactly why it is a waste of money. Maybe it would come in handy when lacing a new wheel, (but I read a review that said it would not, even for that). For maintenance save your $150.
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Old 01-14-2006, 05:22 PM
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But is there any way to keep the spoke from turning?
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Old 01-14-2006, 05:56 PM
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Re: problem tightening my spokes

RedRaider,
First you have to free the spoke and nipple form the dielectric bond that has formed. Soak the nipple at the threads or better yet from the inside on the rim. If you keep twisting while holding the spoke you will completely round the nipple or even break a spoke. It is no simple solution for this other than loosening the bond.

As Pragmatic said this condition os why spoke torque wrenches aren't a good idea. The reading is not accurate due to the build up and bond that forms on a spoke, in its threads.

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Old 01-15-2006, 01:38 PM
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Any other ideas? I tried soaking them down and that didn't help at all. There is not one spoke on the rear wheel that with tighten, yet all the front ones work fine. There is no way to keep the spoke from turing inside the hub. Is it possible that it may be laced up wrong? Or do all the spokes need replaced? Most of the spokes have a bow in the middle of them. The spokes on the front wheel have more of an angle to them where the rear spokes are more straight. I've tried holding the spokes with vicegrips with no luck. So i'm guessing either there needs to be more of an angle to the lacing pattern (if thats possible) or the bow in the spokes is causing them to turn inside the hub.
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Old 01-15-2006, 10:13 PM
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Red Raider,
A bow in the spoke won't cause the nipple to sieze and the siezure is why the spoke spins in the hub. Unless you can gently heat each nipple, and they aren't strong and will melt, or use a penetrant you are going to have to cut the spokes out and replace them. I don't have much else to offer from my experience. Something has siezed the nipples good. It is a wonder a spoke has not broken and that the wheel does not wobble into the chain or swing arm as loose as you describe them as being.

Is the bike a used bike for you or did you get it new? I'd be interested to know the history of the wheel maintenance with this severe a problem.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

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Old 01-16-2006, 06:03 AM
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This may not be the best way but get a pair of vice grips and grab the spoke while turning the nipple part with your spoke wrench. It will work. I had to do it on my bike after the first month of riding. Just make sure you use a bigger vice grip. The small ones dont have enough strength to hold it. They will let the spoke turn. I hope this helps.

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Old 01-16-2006, 10:39 AM
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Yeah i was using a set of the little vice grips. I just thought it was weird that everyone of the rear ones are seized but yet all the front ones are fine. It is a used bike, i've only had it about 3 months. I guess i'll try a bigger set of vice grips and if they break then it won't matter cause they need replaced anyway. Thanks for all the info.
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