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Old 06-15-2007, 02:19 PM
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Just got this in an e-mail:

AMA competition bulletin: amateur motocross class rules changes

To: AMA Off-Road Congress delegates, AMA promoters

Please be advised that the AMA Board of Directors ratified a new amateur motocross class structure for the 2008 racing season at its May 2007 meeting.

Nationally recognized amateur motocross classes for 2008 will include:

MX Lites (100cc-153cc 2-stroke/151cc-250cc 4-stroke);
125 Class (86cc-125cc 2-stroke only)
Motocross (154cc-285cc 2-stroke/251cc-450cc 4-stroke);
250 Class (126cc-250cc 2-stroke only);
Open (251cc-500cc 2-stroke/390cc-650cc 4-stroke).
Displacements may be OEM or achieved by aftermarket modification.

The amateur motocross class structure for 2008 also includes Plus 25, Veteran 30 and Veteran 40 for riders at least 25, 30 or 40 years old, respectively, riding two- or four-stroke motorcycles with displacements of 86cc-open; and a Women's class for women riding two- or four-stroke motorcycles with displacements of 80cc-open.

The AMA amateur motocross classes for 2008 will also recognize a Pit Bike class. The specifications for the Pit Bike class are still being finalized and will be submitted for AMA Congress approval at the October meeting.

The 2008 structure for AMA Youth Classes will be the same as in 2007.

The new class structure is the result of a directive the AMA Board of Directors issued to AMA staff late last year to consult with technical experts in the field and recommend a measured approach to leveling the playing field between two- and four-stroke motorcycles in amateur motocross.

Also at the May meeting, the AMA Board of Directors ratified three rules that passed AMA Congress in 2006 for the 2007 season but were not ratified at the November 2006 Board meeting.

These additional changes to Amateur, Semi-professional & Youth Competition Rule Book take effect immediately:

Add sentence (chapter 4, section B, paragraph 3, page 14): "In addition, in Dirt Track, TT, Scrambles and Ice Race, riders changing machines must start on the penalty line on their next race."
Last sentence to read (chapter 4, section B, paragraph 7 I, page 15): "and riders will be started in a procedure consistent with Pro Racing restarts."
Change (chapter 5, section C, paragraph 1, page 44): "Class 6 Change age to 7-11. Delete Maximum (adjusted length) wheelbase 45 inches. Move brackets between 85cc classes and hillclimb classes 13 & 14. Place the wheel sizes below to be included with classes 13 & 14: Front Wheel Max 17 inches, Rear wheel min 12 inches, Rear Wheel Max. 16 inches. Delete Wheelbase 51 inches or less for Hillclimb."
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:37 PM
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This is very good. Hopefully these same guidelines governing two-stroke displacements will be adopted for the pro ranks. This would allow for more variety and definitely be healthy for the sport as a whole.
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Old 06-15-2007, 05:31 PM
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Old 06-15-2007, 05:55 PM
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Hot dawg, If this sticks we have an honest open class again. AMA amateur class competition here comes an old man to race and help reorganize D43 again. Yeahhhhhhh.

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Old 06-15-2007, 06:14 PM
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Old 06-15-2007, 10:40 PM
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Wow, did the AMA come up with this on their own? I'm impressed.
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Old 06-16-2007, 12:21 AM
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I guess I am glad they did something, but I don't see it as such a "gift" to anyone. There is now basically a two stroke class, which is great for riders that have them now or were going to purchase them. The drawback is that now clubs are forced to add classes or combine them. Just what the sport needs is more of that or more standing around waiting for your race. If you want to race against the fourstrokes in "lites" for instance you can, but you need to do about 1500 dollars worth of work to your 125 and hope it will retain a reliability advantage over the 250f's that you now have overspent. It may be the start needed, and maybe some manufacturer will decide that a 56 mm bore and and 3mm more on the stroke is easily within their grasp and we will have 40 hp 200 lb racers with decent midrange. I just look at this one as the chicken's way out actually. Call me a pessimist.

For me, the simple thing would have been go back to 80/85, 125, 250, and open like it used to be regardless of 2 or 4 cycle engines. It would have been too much to ask though. Too simple too. In effect it would have killed the 250'f's as racers eventually. I would have liked that.
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Old 06-16-2007, 07:03 AM
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So now when I go to the night MX races, instead of being there until 2 am for all motos to run, I'll be there until 5 am...

I think I will skip watching MX completely. Maybe just the first moto then leave at midnight.

What purpose did this serve other than adding more classes? What I see happening is there will only be a couple of 2 strokes in each class so they will be double gate with the 4 strokes or it will again fade out. Could be wrong but that just seems logical.
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Old 06-16-2007, 08:52 AM
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Maybe I am missing something but this says run what your displacement is in the proper class 4T or 2T. I guess I should just keep my thoughts and hopes to my self.

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Old 06-16-2007, 12:53 PM
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This just means now if I have my YZ 144 for lites class if I wanted to bad enough I could swap top ends n race the 125 class next.Crap I better go grab 125 while they are still given them away.

My YZ 250 is fast all ready I wonder how sick it be if it was a 285. Will someone make a real YZ 150? KTM 144's now have a class so do those TM 144's and they got aluminum frames coming out.
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Old 06-16-2007, 01:30 PM
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Bill,

I am like Keeto. As I see it they created a special "two stroke class" or now allow you a "little bigger" two stroke to run with the 4 strokes, rather than just going even up on displacement. I am glad they did something, and I hope the manufacturers come out with as Keeto says, a real 150 two stroke. I just have doubts that they (the manufacturers) will look at this as something permanent and solid enough to go build bikes for. Right now I can buy a yz125 for 4700 out the door in Anchorage. I would spend another 1500 hundred turning it into something that will run with a 250f'. It may not be any more reliable. I am doubtfull that very many will do that, and then it just dies.

If they went back to the old classifications all that "dies" is 250f's.
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Old 06-16-2007, 01:39 PM
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I have yet to see where the Pro-AMA has endorsed this in any way. However, I DO like the fact that the AMA is addressing the grumblings about disparities between 2-stroke and 4-stroke engines now that it has flip-flopped. Technology seems to drive everything in today's world. I don't see why it should be any different with MX racing!
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Old 06-16-2007, 01:59 PM
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The AMA is trying to save racing at the amateur level, and trying to make everyone happy at the same time. Sounds easy. The AMA congress took it to them last fall asking for equal parity. This is the AMA's way of trying to do it as painless as possible. Again, to me though, it is not a gift of any kind to two strokes, and for the reasons I mention, is not going to save anyone money unless they just sign up for two stroke only classes, and as Keeto guesses, get double gated. That takes something away from it for me, but we will just have to see how big it gets (or doesn't get) at this point. (man, I think I just wrote the longest sentence in my life!)
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Old 06-16-2007, 02:04 PM
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I agree what you guys are saying. I would love to see a 85, 125, 250 bring what you have class system, but at least the AMA is doing something.
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4700 OTD for a YZ 125 they are going more like 3500 OTD around here now.
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Old 06-16-2007, 06:43 PM
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I think I agree with both sides on this one. It is halfhearted, and probably will play out like keeto and ossa say, but I think it's a baby step in the right direction. Anything positive is a welcome sign to me, and I like seeing actually two stroke classes, even if we do end up double gated. And like Bill says, there is a chance for a bona fide open class!! Gotta get another CR500 now!!
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:24 AM
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4700 OTD for a YZ 125 they are going more like 3500 OTD around here now.
He lives in Achorage - a little different from Oregon.
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:37 AM
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makes no difference to me..................I ride the over forty class,lol.
Me too! Silly motocrossers....
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Old 06-18-2007, 10:48 AM
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FYI. I am now District 20 Congressman and through the adventure of learning how things work, the Congress is what approved this move. The AMA Board of Directors merely passed what was passed by Congress.

My point is that the AMA has nothing to do with rules 99% of the time. We are so quick to blame (or in this case give credit) the AMA when it comes to rules when in fact Congress is the group that presents the rules to the AMA. Congress is made up of volunteers and I am one of those now.

If you wish for rules to be implemented, changed, deleted or modified, there are certain items in place to make that happen. Check to see who your District Off-Road/MX Rep is and give them the changes you are looking for. Click here to check for your AMA Congress Rep.

If you live in District 41, Brad Woolsey is the point of contact.

If your not sure about the rules, please click here. AMA Sports Rule Book

What you need to do to submit changes is to reference the Chapter, Section, Paragraph & Page. Then "Write Out the Exact Wording of Proposal Changes" and submit it in this format to your congress representative.

How does this all work? Well, Congress reps have to have the changes submitted to the AMA HQ in Ohio by August 1st. The AMA compiles all the rules submitted and consolidates it for all Congress reps to vote on in October. Congress reps go to the AMA HQ in order to vote on these rules. Whatever is passed by Congress goes to the AMA at that point. The AMA BOD then typically rubber stamps what Congress presents to them. The first AMA BOD meeting is in November or December. Once the AMA BOD passes the rules, it then takes effect Feb 15th, the following year.

Now that you know, the next time a rule effects you, you know who passed it. We are always quick to judge the AMA but in all actuality, it is the AMA that allows us to take part in the process and govern our own rules.

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Wow, Tom! Thanks for posting up on that issue! I bet there are tons of weekend warriors that have no clue about that whole process. I was actually one of them prior to your post.
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