I would like to ask why?

[td28]

I bought a new bike on 9-8-06 the next day I went to the local track to tune it in, get it all set up for me. I was hoping to ride with a good friend the next day. I was there for about 2 hrs making laps and adjustments as I went. My wife and I were just about ready to go. I was on my last couple of laps when there was a rider in front of me about 40 yrds I came over a set of doubles, when I seen him hiting the brakes( I was in the air). The rider came to a complet stop in the middle of the track, and I landed at the rear of his bike. Hitting the swigarm and pipe of his bike. When I got back off the ground, and seen fulid coming from my bike, I was pissed. With no words said the rider got up and left, pushing my new bike back to the truck I crused him out loud. I could under stand why he came to a stop in the middle of the track. It busted my left radiator and shroud, bent the front wheel, broke six spokes, and broke the throttle housing. So now over 400 dollars and some laber, I will now ride agian.
Why would you stop in the middle of the track?!!!!!!!!!!

[MONSTER450]

chickens crossing?

[ekholms-mx-farm]

Originally Posted by MONSTER450

chickens crossing?

I'm sorry but that was funny at the wrong time

[yz250guy]

For the same reason he left the track without saying anything to you. He's an idiot. Yep, that has to be it.

[MotoMan]

Originally Posted by yz250guy

For the same reason he left the track without saying anything to you. He's an idiot. Yep, that has to be it.

Yep, that would be my conclusion....he was a moron.

[Woody_393]

I have nothing more to add other then, that sucks, and yep, he's not to mention a complete idiot

[TRXman86]

I would have been more the p'od. I would have opened the book of and let loose on his Of course my wife would have been like He was problaby in a state of mind that told him to be a complete jackass. Or he just forgot his sign, and was going back to get it:

On a serious note, I'm not sticking up for the guy, but maybe he stalled or broke something on the jump, lost it or whatever and was tring to move. As far as leaving without saying nothing.... he needs his and given a good Try to find the guy qnd make him reimburse you for damages for being a total **** (my censor- mans genitalia)

sorry bro, really sucks.

[Mainjet2001]

Re: I would like to ask why?

It’s the same reason someone on a cell phone runs into the back of a bicycle rider who is in the bicycle lane.
It’s the same reason someone makes a left turn in front of an oncoming street bike.
It’s the same reason someone runs a red light creating a traffic accident.
It’s the same reason a man and his wife run into each on motorcycles at a 90 degrees angle on El Mirage dry lake, both doing 50 MPH.
It’s the same reason a person rides his motorcycle across the railroad tracks without looking for a train coming.
Each of the above resulted in a death.

There is a lesson here and should be studied. The lesson is figure how to prevent it from happening again or reduce the chances of happening again because it’s for your well being.
Don’t tell me it can’t be prevented because I don’t believe that.

Let me put it another way. My grandson had a big getoff in a Nevada desert race. I asked him why he bailed and to analyze his mishap and tell me why he bailed. He came back and said he hit a rock and that was the reason. I told him that was not the core reason and to go back and think about it again. He then said he was in the dust and could not see. I again told him that was not the core reason and to go think about it again. After a bit he came back and said grandpa I was going to fast in the dust and hit a rock I didn’t see.
I said “bingo” young man that is the core reason and how are you going to prevent this in the future. He said I will slow down in the dust in the future and will not ride over my head when I cannot see.
I was proud of his final answer.

What I’m saying is to analyze the problem and figure out how to prevent it from happening the next time or at least reduce the chances of it repeating.
This process works with your equipment and judgment, trust me. I use it all the time.

Sorry about the windbag post but truly analyzing mishaps and doing something about it can lengthen your riding history.

[ossagp1]

You don't expect someone to just stop in the middle of a track, but you should expect it. I think everyone who has ridden tracks or trails for any length of time can tell you about misses or near misses. You make your own choices based on what you think is going to happen. On unsupervised track days, just add that to your list of things that could happen. In the end, we have to take responsibility for ourselves.

Was someone joking when they said find him and see if you can get reimbursement. That is the kind of joke I like to get me awake at 5:55 am, so thanks if that was how it was intended ;-)

[Florida 393]

LeRoy and Andy have this nailed, when we ride we must be ready for others to do stupid and unexpected things and for conditions to hand us a bad deal. Unfortunately no preride or licensing requirements for our sport exists. The guy did something stupid by stopping in the middle of the track. As 'jet asked "what caused the accident?"

Situational awareness is a must for our sport. (I know, I'm showing my military and aviation background now) If you are on a public track with other riders, most of which you don't know, you had best assume someone will do something dangerous. I've seen too many riders pull out on to a track without even looking at the flow and position of other bikes out on the course. Several have had accidents because of this, some were lucky that the approaching bike rider was aware and took actions to avoid the accident waiting to happen. Threatening them will not solve the problem,most just ignore you anyway. It could land you in trouble for making threats (or carrying through with ripping their lungs out) We just have to take situational awareness into our habbits and apply it to our riding. Same goes for driving in this time of cell phones and eating at the wheel or even reading the morning paper while driving(yes I have seen all the above in one morning's commute.)

Sorry for the rant, they guy needs to learn how to properly ride a track, no arguments there, just help out yourself by making your riding safer as much as possible.

Bill

[MotoMan]

Originally Posted by ossagp1

Was someone joking when they said find him and see if you can get reimbursement. That is the kind of joke I like to get me awake at 5:55 am, so thanks if that was how it was intended ;-)

That is what I was thinking.

[Florida 393]

Originally Posted by ossagp1

Was someone joking when they said find him and see if you can get reimbursement. That is the kind of joke I like to get me awake at 5:55 am, so thanks if that was how it was intended ;-)

Me too, Jim, If the idiot was so calloused as to just disappear (or cowardly might be better) he sure isn't going to pay up for an on track accident. John is only 18 and he has remarked on track ettiquite several times. We have a real problem here with people going down in a turn and simply getting up to look things over while the bike and the rider block the lines. I've ran out more times than I can count to pick up a bike and just roll off the track to keep the carnage from getting worse.

Bill

[MotoMan]

Originally Posted by Florida 393

Me too, Jim, If the idiot was so calloused as to just disappear (or cowardly might be better) he sure isn't going to pay up for an on track accident. John is only 18 and he has remarked on track ettiquite several times. We have a real problem here with people going down in a turn and simply getting up to look things over while the bike and the rider block the lines. I've ran out more times than I can count to pick up a bike and just roll off the track to keep the carnage from getting worse.

Bill

Yep, I think that problem is widespread Bill, as it happens here as well.

[four26stroker]

Ever been blasted by a golf ball from 200 yards off? Never to hear the words FOUR!! until the sound of the ball wacks your face. Lets just say that rules of etiquette seem not to apply these days. A lot of fools can buy lots of things and never know how to use them properly. Only to inflict harm on others because in todays instant starbucks world its F U and hooray for me.

[stormbringer]

I have been to a track before that got crowded really fast. There was close to 100 people there, and all they split was the 85cc and 125-250cc class. I just left, because it was way too dangerous. I was and still am a beginner at track riding, so why they had me out there with the A class riders is the most dumb thing ever. I will never ride that perticular track again, because they did not break up the rider skill levels.

[OldFossil]

Originally Posted by Mainjet2001

Re: I would like to ask why?

It’s the same reason someone on a cell phone runs into the back of a bicycle rider who is in the bicycle lane.
It’s the same reason someone makes a left turn in front of an oncoming street bike.
It’s the same reason someone runs a red light creating a traffic accident.
It’s the same reason a man and his wife run into each on motorcycles at a 90 degrees angle on El Mirage dry lake, both doing 50 MPH.
It’s the same reason a person rides his motorcycle across the railroad tracks without looking for a train coming.
Each of the above resulted in a death.

There is a lesson here and should be studied. The lesson is figure how to prevent it from happening again or reduce the chances of happening again because it’s for your well being.
Don’t tell me it can’t be prevented because I don’t believe that.

Let me put it another way. My grandson had a big getoff in a Nevada desert race. I asked him why he bailed and to analyze his mishap and tell me why he bailed. He came back and said he hit a rock and that was the reason. I told him that was not the core reason and to go back and think about it again. He then said he was in the dust and could not see. I again told him that was not the core reason and to go think about it again. After a bit he came back and said grandpa I was going to fast in the dust and hit a rock I didn’t see.
I said “bingo” young man that is the core reason and how are you going to prevent this in the future. He said I will slow down in the dust in the future and will not ride over my head when I cannot see.
I was proud of his final answer.

What I’m saying is to analyze the problem and figure out how to prevent it from happening the next time or at least reduce the chances of it repeating.
This process works with your equipment and judgment, trust me. I use it all the time.

Sorry about the windbag post but truly analyzing mishaps and doing something about it can lengthen your riding history.

I really like the way you dealt with your grandson. Im gonna have to think about what happened next time i go down

[ossagp1]

When I see Leroy post something akin to what I might have said, I feel sunshine all over. Now as I sit here and think of my own son flying off to land on a dirtroad in what could be some really crappy weather, I just pray that he hears me in the back of his mind.

I bet that advice served to make more than one guy the fastest crosscountry rider on the planet.

[Keetoman393]

Great advise, LeRoy! In management training, I was taught to ask "Why" 5 times and at or before you get the the fith "why" in ANY situation, you will find the root cause. It's amazing how problems get solved so quickly when you break it down like that.

[Florida 393]

TD,
We 'jacked this one, I hope you get things for your new scoot straightened out. LeRoy, you always make us think deeper than the first impression, for that I am thankful. I've adopted your reasoning and been amazed at how much you can get to if you do the "Why?" Keith said it good too, and Andy described how these things make us feel. I cannot put a price on how much the older riders I grew up with and now are our statesmen have taught me. I just hope I've been attentive enough over the years to absorb these lessons where I can teach the track and trail rules to the younger riders that are building our sport now.

Bill

[SirFallsALot243]

Did you at least break his bike?