All Things Moto, and somethings that need to be said

[ride_red_15]

Alright let me start off by saying that these are my views only , and we think these points need to be brought up here on ATM, not in the Moderators Forum like some people wanted it to be, but out in the open for public discussion.

First off, ATM has some serious issues developing, that maybe the top mods cant see, that could send this place the way of DRN, and none of us would like that.

ATM is becoming a popularity contest. If your not popular, you dont get views, or credit for that matter, of things you try and help people with. For example, ive posted numerous bike reviews, tech help, etc, but barely 5 people have even viewed these posts. Although i may be young, im a AA rider, and id like to help out as much as i can. Just because i havent been riding 30 years, or im not the child of a senior mod, doesnt mean that i dont know what im talking about.

Next. we've noticed some people here , no names mentioned, that seem to think they know everything there is about motocross. Some smart-a$$ people, that i cannot seem to understand. Yet it continues. For example, lets use a post by MattXR250R. He posted about a small jump he built, and quite a few people cut him down for it. EVERYONE OF US started small somewhere...dont bash someone else for it.

As much as I hate to say it, just like DRN, this place needs a flame forum.

Also, i can explain why 3/4 of our members are inactive. Ive noticed that when a new member posts a question, the first 5 responses are "Hey welcome to ATM etc..." and not answers. If the person doesnt see information, he/she isnt going to stick around. Theyre going to go someplace else. Not saying the greeting is bad, but sometimes enough is enough.

Finally, what set me off on all of this was the hypocriticalness of some of our members in the post about Brian Deegan getting hurt. Someone brought up the fact that everyone here says we are brothers bonded together by the love of motorcycles. Brian Deegan rides a motorcycle, he is our brother, no way around it. Granted hes not a perfect role model, but he does not deserve the bashing. The Mulisha is more popular than Team Honda and probably sells more bikes, but thats not my point. I dont think we should bash a person like that, no matter what.

That concludes this post, flame, comment, boot me, it makes no differences. These are things that i feel should be brought to light, before we start to slip.

Joe
If anyone really has anything to say, that they dont want posted online, my phone number is 1-540-446-3408

[jstlernin2ride]

I agree....very well said...something that needed to be brought to everyones attention....age doest equal experience so start noticing that sometimes the people you least expect have the best advice....i personally know a few guys from here and know for a fact that they know what their doing....granted they arent 25-30-40 years old, but they know enough. i respect the position of many people on this site because of their level of riding, but honestly the way things have been handled make me respect the people who brought it out more. again, very well said and thank you

[Thump_This]

a flame forum would be great. i love the idea.

[KTM250rm393]

Flame forums are just a royal headache for any site. All they promote is a place where people can go and bash others.

As far as I know, ATM will not have a flame forum. We have gotten along great for one year without needing one and even though we can't always please the top elite members here, any small growing website will have growing pains.

[Thump_This]

oh i didnt know thats what its for. i thought it was a forum to make fun of bikes and stuff. the kida pictures frakke loves to post. i LOVE those pics. speaking of which. Frakkke? where are the new funny pics buddy?

[jstlernin2ride]

no offense rick..but once again your thinking of yourself...not the site...may sound like a bad idea to someone w/ no growing issues..but your not listening to who you should be..THE MAIN POSTERS...if theres something that may help them..why shut it down.. it was obviously brought up for a reason...why not see it through..it can always be closed later if something happens....get over yourself for a few minutes and think about the site for once!

[ride_red_15]

Ouch Rick, cant please the elite members eh? But wait thats not the point of this site...its not about a few "elite" members...i thought it was about everyone sharing their love of motorcycles, the public...but since youve narrowed it down to an elite few...

[MotoMax]

Wow u guys act like this is a horrible problew. I agree with mr. clean. Personally i think everythings going fine. We were all jokin aroun with mattxr250r and im pretty sure he know that. We all make jokes.

[Dingleberry]

Bro- People here know whats up. You can choose you you want to listen too. Don't get bent cause only 5 people read your post.

Maturity comes with age. deegan has matured over the last couple of years, but it has not refelcted in the media because this image (of deegan) sells. It's the God Almighty Dollar that keeps his image dirty. But how are you (or I) going to change that?

Lastly this is one of the most informative places on the web for motorcycle info. Period.

[Woody_393]

HUH? Sorry, I've been gone for the weekend, but I'm confused?

What are you talking about?

I'm sorry if you post something and your post doesn't get viewed? Their's not much I can do to help you there.

I also don't see the value of the flame forum.

However, I appreciate your concerns. And I'll look at them again when I've had some sleep so I can see if I can figure out what you're talking about.

[yzernie]

There are a few people on here that sometimes get carried away with responses to posts. We all know who they are and even though their delivery may not be what we think it should be, even they do occasionally have good info to pass on to us.

We all have decision making abilities. If we don't care for someone or a particular post, then we have the ability to stay away from those locations on the board. We also have the ability to use the private messaging system to take up issues with those we disagree with instead of using the open forums to bang on each other.

I truly enjoy the board and the people I have met as a result of it. I would be horribly disappointed if it became the equivelant of DRN or some of the other "slam boards".

[Woody_YZF]

I too am confused. I read what I want and respond to what I want and ignore the stuff I disagree with, I don't know how you get around that. One thing I do know is that I enjoy this board A LOT and have met a bunch of wonderful people.

[Imahoot393]

I do not think that a flame forum would be beneficail to this site either. This site is all about motorcycles, promoting our great sport, Garrett's memory, and helping others. This is also a great site to find some riding buddies. Personally I would be up for meeting and riding with you but you live clear across the United States and so far I haven't been over there with my motorcycle.

I believe that sometimes there are some hurt feelings by some posts and as mature people we have the ability to use our conflict resolution abilites to discuss things and mend fences. Pming is a great way of doing this.

I am sorry that you feel that nobody looks at your posts. Pesonally I am still learning a great deal about the technical and mechanical areas of motorcycles and find the info posted by you and others extremely helpful. However, I don't always have a reply as I would incriminate myslef as a completely non-mechanical person.

[valverde]

I for one dont need a flame forum, I dont think there is a problem with this site either. As far as the "Welcomes", I dont usually reply to those but there are some that do, I think its a contest to see who can get the most post. They may not help but its hard to bash someone for saying HELLO!

No one flamed Matt, it was joking and the ability to recognize that comes with age.

We are a brotherhood and if Deegan went down and needed support we would give it to him, that does not mean I want him marrying my sister! We all have opinions and if you can keep it clean and not get too personal let it rip on the forum, thats what this place is about. To help each other and share different views and ideas.

I for one love this place and the only concern I have is it getting so large that it loses that personal family feeling like other huge forums have.

[ride_red_15]

My point wasnt about anyone not reading my posts, i could care less, i was using it as an example. Ive seen tons of informative posts, by many people, get blatantly ignored for simpler things.

Ive never once said that i dont love this place or the people in it, i think its great and theres a great group here. I was merely pointing out a few things that myself and a few others thought needed to be brought up.

[SirFallsALot243]

The reason that 2/3 of the members here are inactive has nothing to do with the greeting we give them. I think its just the opposite. When i got here, i made a thread and within a few minutes i had welcomes, and yes, informative replys. They helped me out a lot, and so quickly. The place is so friendly and helpful, thats exactly why i decided to stay. Many sites i go to have MUCH more then 2/3 of inactive users. Some, the only active ones are the moderators. Im sure ThumperTalk has around the same number of inactive users as we do. That just how it goes. Some people arent interested in sticking around. The greeting we give to them has absolutely nothing to do with that.

[MrsTwister393]

Originally posted by ride_red_15
[B]Alright let me start off by saying that these are my views only , and we think these points need to be brought up here on ATM, not in the Moderators Forum like some people wanted it to be, but out in the open for public discussion.

You say they are your views only but then you say we???????

Thank you for making it public so eveyone can give an opinion.

ATM is becoming a popularity contest. If your not popular, you dont get views, or credit for that matter, of things you try and help people with. For example, ive posted numerous bike reviews, tech help, etc, but barely 5 people have even viewed these posts.

I know alot of times I will post a thread and then it gets really busy and it gets bumped way back before many people have a chance to see it, same thing with pictures.

Next. we've noticed some people here , no names mentioned, that seem to think they know everything there is about motocross. Some smart-a$$ people, that i cannot seem to understand. Yet it continues. For example, lets use a post by MattXR250R. He posted about a small jump he built, and quite a few people cut him down for it. EVERYONE OF US started small somewhere...dont bash someone else for it.

You have got to remember that we have a great diversity of people here and there is no way everyone is going to be liked by everyone. You just gotta let people be people, you dont have to like them but you do have to respect all people.

As much as I hate to say it, just like DRN, this place needs a flame forum.

I dont agree at all with this. I cant see how that would help.

Also, i can explain why 3/4 of our members are inactive. Ive noticed that when a new member posts a question, the first 5 responses are "Hey welcome to ATM etc..." and not answers. If the person doesnt see information, he/she isnt going to stick around. Theyre going to go someplace else. Not saying the greeting is bad, but sometimes enough is enough.

I disagree also here, remember this is a Family bike site not just bikes. I think it cool that its like walking into someones garage here with the woman, men and kids all hanging out cooking on the grill working on bikes and bench racing. Instead of a sterile shop where you gotta take off your shoes and wear gloves.

Finally, what set me off on all of this was the hypocriticalness of some of our members in the post about Brian Deegan getting hurt. Someone brought up the fact that everyone here says we are brothers bonded together by the love of motorcycles. Brian Deegan rides a motorcycle, he is our brother, no way around it. Granted hes not a perfect role model, but he does not deserve the bashing. The Mulisha is more popular than Team Honda and probably sells more bikes, but thats not my point. I dont think we should bash a person like that, no matter what.

I agree.



thanks for your post. All in all my opinion is that this site is growing by leaps and bounds and getting better and better. Thank you Tyler for all the hard work you put into it. The ones who like this atmosphere here will stay and the others will move on. To each his own!

[SirFallsALot243]

Originally posted by ride_red_15
ATM is becoming a popularity contest. If your not popular, you dont get views, or credit for that matter, of things you try and help people with.

For me, its not about the credit. Getting "credit" for something i have said is the most unimortant thing, to me. Just knowing that i was able to help in someway is credit enough for me. I dont think its really a popularity contest, its just that some of these guys know each other really well, and have met, and gone riding. I never felt as i was being left out, i just understood its harder to talk to and relate with someone youve never met. There is a bond between some of the members on here, and to me, i never felt like i wasnt being included. Just my $0.02

[ride_red_15]

We was a typo, sorry i guess i lost my train of thought there. I agree that this sight is growing better and better everyday, but just like any site, its going to have its low points. Also, id like to thank Tyler for creating such a great site.

[Macho393]

Hey Joe, Nothing personal but I just don't click with you, sorry. I view many post and click my back button all the time. So how do you really know what I've read?. Do I have favorites here? Freakin ''A ''I do. Thats why I come here.Im one of longest staying members here and look at my post count. Not very high is it. There is alot of things I dislike about this site. But here is the kicker.......There is alot more things I do like. One thing about being a mature person is being able to accept the good with the bad. Couple of other things, 1. is you being a AA pro rider. I would like to know the series your in (web addy) with standings. 2. I know alot of AA pro riders who can't change a flat tire, so that don't make you smart being fast. Yea, Im a moderator. But I only mod the Garrett Berg forum. Those guys who have been and I've met..........no doubt about it, I got love for them in my heart.