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Old 05-11-2006, 08:57 AM
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Kinda figured that was going to happen, unfortunatly, it's probably in the cards for all manufactures before too much longer.
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What will this do the FX boys?
Hopefully they will be phased out too!!!!
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Old 05-11-2006, 10:29 AM
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EPA is pushing for clean air right? I think the push to EFI is a direct link to the EPA. You can put EFI to a twostroke but you'll always have(raw oil particals) a cleaner burn on the 4stroke. The exhust systems advance sound to proformance ablity has risen in just the last 3yrs alone. The need for aftermarket carbs will go up as EFI becomes a stock item to the racer only. The day to day rider who isn't trying to get every ounce of HP will love the hands free EFI. The old days of rejetting for you new aftermarket pipe will be over. I think back to a not too long past that this conservation is like talking about the ole' 500's. I like Honda for having the nut to announce the end of their line. I think in bussiness that was a gut style move. Only the top of the heap can make moves like, no looking back, lets move ahead and stay focused.
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Old 05-11-2006, 10:59 AM
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Do you think 2/'s could ever be made eviro-friendly enough to come back?

Or is it ALL simply politics?

Will they go after out weedeaters and chainsaws next?
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Old 05-11-2006, 11:13 AM
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BS,, California tried that back in the 70s,, and it was defeated as unconstitutional.. The EPA laws are not allowed to specify a particular type of engine.. They can set standards they believe 2-strokes cannot pass, but they had done this twice already and so far every 2-stroke manufacturer has managed to meet the standards. If they hadn't 2-stroke outboards would already be history, instead new 2-strokes are close to as clean as 4-strokes.
There are laws for two strokes right now in California....they aren't outlawed completely, I never said they would be, but there are rules on when/where you can/cannot use them.
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Will they go after out weedeaters and chainsaws next?
If you notice, many more 4 stroke versions of these are being made. I don't know what follows for them, but I do know that they are making a gradual change right now.
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Old 05-11-2006, 11:18 AM
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I wouldnt necessarily call Honda's decision a gutsy move. If their 2 strokes were selling they wouldnt be ending production so soon. I do agree that the time is limited for the 2 stroke but Honda's early exit is due to economics. They haven't had a really good 2 stroke, 125 or 250 since.....the elsinore days???? Theres always been a better alternative in the 2 stroke market. Honda just couldnt get it right.
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Old 05-11-2006, 11:24 AM
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new 2-strokes are close to as clean as 4-strokes
I hope you aren't being serious. They are getting better, but 4 strokes run much cleaner than 2 strokes because 2 strokes burn oil fast. They also leak hydrocarbons constantly while running. They are not even close to as clean as 4 strokes, sorry.
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In the past 20 years of riding, I have seen so many things go away and everyone screamed, but go used to it in the end. Overall, so long as they keep making bikes, any manufacturer, we will have something to ride. Personally, the 4 strokes are, in most cases, faster, smoother, easier to ride fast, and, sorry to all you smokers, but I have not seen a 250 or 125 smoker get a holeshot in forever. Even with my fat butt on my CRF, I can almost always smoke the dog out of a smoker to the first turn. Not always, but usually.

Hopefully, all the manufacturers wil stop making the 2-strokes and put that money into fourstroke development. Then we will really start seeing some cool stuff.

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Old 05-11-2006, 12:27 PM
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In the past 20 years of riding, I have seen so many things go away and everyone screamed, but go used to it in the end. Overall, so long as they keep making bikes, any manufacturer, we will have something to ride. Personally, the 4 strokes are, in most cases, faster, smoother, easier to ride fast, and, sorry to all you smokers, but I have not seen a 250 or 125 smoker get a holeshot in forever. Even with my fat butt on my CRF, I can almost always smoke the dog out of a smoker to the first turn. Not always, but usually.
Hopefully, all the manufacturers wil stop making the 2-strokes and put that money into fourstroke development. Then we will really start seeing some cool stuff.
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Yes, that is completely true...but the 4 strokes themselves are not faster than the 2 strokes...it's that the displacement is doubled.
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Old 05-11-2006, 12:50 PM
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Yes, that is completely true...but the 4 strokes themselves are not faster than the 2 strokes...it's that the displacement is doubled.
Speaking of that, I wonder how the 144cc 2/'s are doing against 250f's since that rule change?
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